' Wrote:PvP whoring is the cancer of Discovery. Many of the restricted factions have the unlimited PvP choice, I think this is why some of us look at them with suspicion. It's just a theory.
There is a good solution to that: disable PvP entirely. And then we can all hug each other to death.
You are telling me that I am worse than the Corsairs who say "3mordai" to me when I'm taking food to Crete.
You are telling me that I am worse than the Vigilantes who say "upirate I keel u" and gang me 6 to 1 literally five meters from Alcatraz.
You are telling me that my trader, who let out about six pages of text last night rather than just pay and be on my merry way, and was polite even to pirates most would dismiss as "lolwuts", and flies a ship significantly smaller than what I could be flying, is worse than the silent F1ing diamond-niobium runners in Advanced Trains of 4.84.
Do you realize what you just said there?
I'm surprised people haven't completely exploded on you for saying that.
I'm not going to retaliate. I'm just going to make sure you know what you just told me right there.
What I am saying is that taking from personal experience, if I was to pick one random person within all of the no-restriction, exclusive ( or semi-exclusive) factions it is more likely that he will roleplay worse than a random person picked from the mobs of Corsair or Vigilante IDed players.
I don't know what you are on about the traders, but if you want me to apply the logic again, I will, it still fits. Independent Trader and Smuggler IDed players demonstrate, as a whole, a lesser quality of roleplay than corporation, Zoner or Junker IDed players.
' Wrote:The Point of that Discussion is that not only the Coalition roleplays fine. The Keepers do, the Wilde does, the Phantoms do and the Terrorists do aswell, yet they all get flamed at, recieve Complaints and most of the Threads about them end up in Rage and Joe's old rusty Lock.
I created this Thread, because I was curious why that happens all the Time. Because from my Point of View I never see any of those mentioned above behaving bad or out of Roleplay or abusing their IDs. And I am close to my 800th Hour of Freelancer Playtime, which is -I need to say that- 100% Discovery and not from older Servers or Singleplayer.
I am not the only Person who thinks like that. Of course the Members of the Factions above do, but also a lot of Members like Zelty think the same as I do.
I think that the point that many people are trying to raise is exactly the opposite, that people in said factions, as a whole, do not roleplay. Points which are dismissed in a way that yells out superiority complexes, in my eyes.
Coalition roleplays fine. The only situation that came out as a bit powergaming-ish was the Barrier Gate bombing.
Keepers are a mixed bag. I've seen many establishing connections and having long "chats" with people but I've also seen a couple of "***DARKNESS!*** *pew pew pew*" situations.
Phantoms are ... Don't get me started on the Phantoms.
Wilde is a bit of a blind spot in my knowledge. I haven't seen one since my early days in the server, blasting through Sigma 13, wiping the smiles off the BHG BCs and pirates that camped the system.
Terrorist IDed people make me angry, really. I've seen many people rise from Pirate ID to Terrorist ID and the change in the mentality that came with it. "Olol, I can blow whatever I want up" about sums it up. Some are good roleplayers, some make me want to gouge my eyes out with a spoon.
PS: 900 hours of Freelancer here. ~800 must be Discovery, the rest must be NiMa and SP. Seems the Discoverse is larger than we think, hrm?
' Wrote:Terrorist IDed people make me angry, really. I've seen many people rise from Pirate ID to Terrorist ID and the change in the mentality that came with it. "Olol, I can blow whatever I want up" about sums it up. Some are good roleplayers, some make me want to gouge my eyes out with a spoon.
So wait, if I do the same as a Pirate and pirate everyone and blow them all up, I uh...
Don't make you angry?
That's kool.
[color=#FF99FF]But humor aside, it's funny that you mention that 'change in mentality'.
I once had a character. That character was a Phantom.
Said Phantom killed, and killed mad good.
And it was glorious.
Then I RP'd on.
And said Phantom wasn't a Phantom anymore.
He was a Terrorist now.
And basically didn't kill at all.
Was a pretty mean old man who used to wander around and watch the ongoing slaughter without shooting outside from, uh, duels.
I mean, RP duels.
Aside from that I don't remember ever really... fighting.
I mean...
Uh.
Dude.
The ID is a guideline or a sign of sorts in the end, it's not like you have a Terrorist ID and that means you go and kill everyone.
Look at Salazar Kithe and tell me Seth goes around butchering people 24/7. He does RP stunts instead.
But anyway, the ID says jack about the actual RP coming from the character you encounter.
One of the reasons it's so damn rare is that it, in theory, lets you kill everyone and everything and whatever.
In practice that's actually tied to the character's RP.
A Terrorist ID on its own would be a hunting permit.
A go and kill everyone ticket.
But it never stands on its own.
It always comes with RP behind it.
Usually tons of RP, RP which if it isn't followed by the individual in possession of the ID who made the RP up in the first place, will end up making sure that the individual loses the ID.
Simply put.
'AH DUN' BE SEEIN' WHAT ALL THAT FUSS YE MAKIN' BE 'BOUT, LADDIE!
I get so tired of AJ constantly going on and on and on and on with this subject that I'm just going to ignore what he's saying completely.
As for Punker:
' Wrote:Well some people can't take a beating , for example when I was a noob I spent all my savings into the cargo I had , and then Phantom comes and kills me , yes I did /Ragepm him , but its kinda lame to kill someone who has invested all of his money into something and just loses it like that. As for others, they just cant accept that its the way its supposed to be...
Did you ever think that the person RP'ing the Phantom is a person just like you? If you had so much invested in that cargo, did you:
A) ever think of pm'ing him/her and telling them your situation and asking them if they could give you a way out in RP?
B) try and RP with the Phantom?
C) Or did you just silently try and run and when you realized you couldn't escape you just started shooting?
Because honestly C is the one that we get about 99% of the time. Followed by a bunch of rage tossed at us in PM and then on the forums. And we get blamed for not RP'ing. Tell me, how does one RP all by himself? Have you tried RP'ing with a silent trader that does nothing but hold down thrust and shoot at you? Tell me about how easy it is to type RP in game when your target is constantly fleeing and his escorts or random lawfuls show up and instantly start shooting with nothing more than a "Engaging Phantom". When that happens, just about our only option is to fight or flee. Generally we fight until the odds get overwhelming, then we scatter. We then have to reconvene in the forums and read the nasty flame post in our message dump or wherever.
Punker, if you didn't play the silent trader then you could have RP'd out of the incident. I promise you could have. Failing that, if I had been there, and most of the other Phantoms I can think of, and you had asked in PM that you somehow be allowed to keep your cargo as it's all the money you have, we would have RP'd you a way out.
I'm not evil despite what AJ says. In fact I'm a rather nice guy, I'm married, have a three year old daughter, and really enjoy playing this game. Some people do nothing but try and ruin that for me because I have a Phantom. I don't let it get to me, I just continue to enjoy Freelancer and Discovery. And I promise you, I want you to enjoy it too, all of you. I will never do anything in game to intentionally ruin your experience. Try just talking to special RP characters, because despite what you say, I know most of you that are complaining don't. I think if you just try it, you might just be pleasantly surprised.
Yuri, I said PvP -whoring-. PvP is part of Freelancer, nobody deny it. When there is a situation -in RP- which need some PvP there is no problem, it's perfectly acceptable.
However, people using their ID to seek for PvP or just random players who come on this server only for PvP (and finding pathetic excuses to) are the cancer of this server, i repeat.
' Wrote:Yuri, I said PvP -whoring-. PvP is part of Freelancer, nobody deny it. When there is a situation -in RP- which need some PvP there is no problem, it's perfectly acceptable.
However, people using their ID to seek for PvP or just random players who come on this server only for PvP (and finding pathetic excuses to) are the cancer of this server, i repeat.
So now I'm a cancer. Nice.
I always tended to think all the people getting constantly sanctioned and banned were the cancer of the server. Good to know where I stand.
![[Image: CHI4y9i.png]](https://i.imgur.com/CHI4y9i.png)
![[Image: harlcopy.png]](http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m117/mhisteal/harlcopy.png)
