Long Freelancer Intro

[Treewyrm]

There is one for Liberty giving insight into how they built jumpgates and tradelanes, turned out they were based on Daam K'Vosh technology found deep within in underground complex codenamed Valhalla I on planet Manhattan. Ageira has access to it. Plus it also provides some info on the Order and it's origins. Liberty lore could be found on Chris Todd's website as well.

Some extra stuff, concept arts and missing things were found on bonus DVD that came with Freelancer Original Soundtrack CD (that's where original uncut introduction comes from anyway), I've bought it some time ago at online auction for a hefty price and since then it was put on torrent trackers for everyone else to see. I don't think I can link to a torrent file here directly (or may be I could, that's up to moderators/admins really, if they'll allow me to), all I can say is that it's on the most popular torrent tracker.

I think nomads genetically build what ever they are in need of. If the need fighter sized ships to kill human fihgters, they make those. If they need something to fight human battleships, the build a stronger battleship. If they need something to whipe out humanity with one blow and humanity is still stuck in one system, they build something that will blow up hte sun with one shot and destroy that system. I think they could do it in Sirius if they had enough time to build that thing, and if they wanted to. I dont think they would want to blow up every star of every human-infested system.

Why does it always have to revolve around humans? What are we, a centerpiece of the universe everyone should care about and build their technology for the purposes related to us? Of course not. I highly doubt eradicating mankind in Sol was actually the purpose. We think too much of ourselves and our role in the grand scheme of things, delusional belief that we are actually somehow important whereas we might be easily not. Think of that device as a simple bulldozer. DK were known to shape the systems to their likings, some Nomads were just no more than devices to see that being done. We were just having our anthills there, no more than that. Look at it outside of human-egocentric view, just for once, you know. Have a fresh sight onto things and try not tie it to humans too much, it is highly naive to think that we had any specific role in DK plans, they would not be concerned about welfare of some pesky specie on the outskirts of galaxy nobody cares about.

Surely mankind has paved it's path to Sirius running away from the war in Sol, but they are not the end of all things. Freelancer is human-centric game universe indeed, but to think that humans are the reason of all things happening around is far fetching to say the least.

[TerminatorX]

Why does it always have to revolve around humans? What are we, a centerpiece of the universe everyone should care about and build their technology for the purposes related to us? Of course not.

Actually, I was comparing humans to a sort of fungus, and the nomads built a scraper and soap to remove us. Are you making a fungus the center of the universe when you use a scraper instead of a gun to clean your house? Hardly.

I highly doubt eradicating mankind in Sol was actually the purpose.
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Think of that device as a simple bulldozer. DK were known to shape the systems to their likings, some Nomads were just no more than devices to see that being done. We were just having our anthills there, no more than that.

Where do you get that idea?

So the fact that
-the bulldozer arrived exactly at the point when the war in sol was ending and humanity would be united and not fighting each other
-the nomads first turned the humans against each other in Sirius so that they could mop them up later
-the war in Sol was sensless and insane and neverending and no one remembered how it started in the first place, but still it kept going on and on

was all a coincidence?
Also, Sol was presumably destroyed at a time where the DKV had already left. Unless the trip to Sirius took millions of years, or they just disappeared from Sirius and not the rest of the universe.

Have a fresh sight onto things and try not tie it to humans too much, it is highly naive to think that we had any specific role in DK plans, they would not be concerned about welfare of some pesky specie on the outskirts of galaxy nobody cares about.

I never said that humans had any role in DKV plans. Why are you putting that into my mouth? Are you refering to when I said the DKV are the monkeys and maybe us being descendants of the DKV? That was more of a joke, really. To illustrate the wild theories one could make. When I found the monkey planet in vanilla I thought it would be cool if those were the DKV (or the "creators" and DKV, since the names of the monkeys may be the devs of freelancer).

We think too much of ourselves and our role in the grand scheme of things, delusional belief that we are actually somehow important whereas we might be easily not.

Look at it outside of human-egocentric view, just for once, you know.

Uhm... I actually said that humans are insignificant to the nomads, and I asume the DKV didnt even know humans existed and were less than monkeys at the time the DKV lived. The rest, you are putting into my mouth.

Thats the second time you say "the grand scheme of things".
Do you have any specific thing in mind when oyu say that? If yes then what is it?

And... no offense, you call me naive, delusional, egocentric, and you keep repeating how low humans are.

Maybe you are a bit of what you call humans and me yourself?

I'll confess to one thing: I like humans. And if we are not the smartest or most powerful, I still like humans anyway. For our diversity, our emotions, our ability to use logic, to love, our humor, our music, our achievements and an infinity of other things. What I dont like about humans is that they tend to harm other humans. And we harm some animals and our environment, but thats less tragic than harming a human. And humans feel more compassion for other species and their environment than any other species. The other species dont show more consideration for their environment, they are just not able to affect it on the scale like us humans can.
You dont seem to like humans a lot and to think that you are for some reason better than most humans, judging by what you post here.
The universe is huge, we are in one solar system among billions of other solar systems.
But everything you know about, all the things that you know that must be bigger than us (physically "bigger", not mentally "bigger")... you know because humans, mostly other humans than you... found out about it and told you. You asume and imagine that there must be greater minds in the universe than humans. Kinda like the DKV or mabye also nomads. But those are in your imagination. In your HUMAN imagination.


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Surely mankind has paved it's path to Sirius running away from the war in Sol, but they are not the end of all things. Freelancer is human-centric game universe indeed, but to think that humans are the reason of all things happening around is far fetching to say the least.

I never said that everything the nomads do is because of humans. They probably did the same to a number of other species which they saw as a threat.
But looks at the infiltrator nomad. That was clearly designed to control a human. The nomads adapt to what ever they meat. If they need to infiltrate a species of shrimp, they will make an infiltrator that can infect shrimp.

[Treewyrm]

Where do you get that idea?

Off the top of my head, much like yours :-)

So the fact that
-the bulldozer arrived exactly at the point when the war in sol was ending and humanity would be united and not fighting each other
-the nomads first turned the humans against each other in Sirius so that they could mop them up later
-the war in Sol was sensless and insane and neverending and no one remembered how it started in the first place, but still it kept going on and on

was all a coincidence?

Why not a coincidence? You seem eager to connect the dots whereas there might be no connection of that kind in the first place. Humans waged many wars prior to the conflict between Alliance and Coalition, which is essentially a highly exaggerated cold war theme turned hot in a distant future. Well, certainly as some alternative path it is might been real, except here it is not.

Also, Sol was presumably destroyed at a time where the DKV had already left. Unless the trip to Sirius took millions of years, or they just disappeared from Sirius and not the rest of the universe.

Actually they have not arrived to Sol by normal means. They had a fancy portable gate (seen at original intro storyboard drawings).

I never said that humans had any role in DKV plans. Why are you putting that into my mouth? Are you refering to when I said the DKV are the monkeys and maybe us being descendants of the DKV? That was more of a joke, really.

I'm not exactly replying to you alone here, some parts are meant to be said in general. I said this mostly to people who seem to think that way, that's all.

no offense, you call me naive, delusional, egocentric, and you keep repeating how low humans are.

Whoa, hold off your horses there. I said so in a contrast that de-facto Freelancer is a human-centric game universe, of that there is no denial. What I meant is that despite so not every act have to be explained and justified by involving humans as the reason to why this or that happens.

You dont seem to like humans a lot and to think that you are for some reason better than most humans, judging by what you post here.

Where have I said I don't like them or that kind of stuff? I'm not a misanthropic maniac. All I said is asking to think outside of box where humans are involved in all that happens around. Essentially what I said was that certain things happen there not because of humans. You seem to take my words way beyond the meaning they carry twisting into your own radical interpretation of which I have no part of really.

But those are in your imagination. In your HUMAN imagination.

Of course, never have I said otherwise. What are you getting at? Heck the interpretation for Nomads chosen here is based on several concepts that we have here. Like how mindshare resembles certain type of peer-to-peer decentralized networks, and all that. Naturally all that and the game itself a product of human imagination, whose else it might have been? Heh, you're funny sort.

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Anyway, this is getting boring now, feel free hold on to whatever opinion you have, I'm not here to change it just because someone on the internets thinks differently. I have my opinions about various things around here, so what does that change? Nothing really. So not a problem for me unless people try to impose their different view onto what I did here and what I do, now that I obviously wouldn't like. Keep coming up wild theories and spinning ideas, at least there is some entertainment in reading those. So thanks for entertainment.

[TerminatorX]

Why not a coincidence? You seem eager to connect the dots whereas there might be no connection of that kind in the first place.

Too big a coincidence. Theories are first sparked by intuition, and then proven or not proven with logic. Here we cant prove anything anyway, but its still a theory that would fit into what we know.

Humans waged many wars prior to the conflict between Alliance and Coalition, which is essentially a highly exaggerated cold war theme turned hot in a distant future. Well, certainly as some alternative path it is might been real, except here it is not.

Its not real because the freelancer devs took the whole sol-blowing business out of the game anyway. But what I said was probably intended to be suggested before they decided to ditch the idea. Jsut because there were no nomads in Starlancer doesnt mean that they didnt want to suggest there were when they made this version of hte video. The probably ditched it because it would reveil the nomads too early any everyone would already be waiting for them to pop up while they play. And because it doenst really connect well to the story because it happened after the Sirius colonists left.

Actually they have not arrived to Sol by normal means. They had a fancy portable gate (seen at original intro storyboard drawings).

What I meant was "if the humans traveling to Sirius" took millions of years. Because the scientist in freelancer SP said they had disappeared long ago. So if the DKV were using nomads to bulldoze sol shortly after the sleeperships left, it could only make sense if the sleeper ships took about the time to arrive to Sirius and then say "DKV have been gone for millions of years". Unless the Sirius DKV disappeared that long ago, but not the ones near sol.
I dont think the nomads travelled to sol from Sirius at all. The DKV already left them somewhere near sol.

I'm not exactly replying to you alone here, some parts are meant to be said in general. I said this mostly to people who seem to think that way, that's all.

Whoa, hold off your horses there. I said so in a contrast that de-facto Freelancer is a human-centric game universe, of that there is no denial. What I meant is that despite so not every act have to be explained and justified by involving humans as the reason to why this or that happens.

Well you posted that after quoting me.

Where have I said I don't like them or that kind of stuff? All I said is asking to think outside of box where humans are involved in all that happens around. Essentially what I said was that certain things happen there not because of humans. You seem to take my words way beyond the meaning they carry twisting into your own radical interpretation of which I have no part of really.

Well you call people egocentric human, naive, delusional. Thats not a very nice thing to say. Better use logic and argument instead of discrediting people to discredit their arguments.

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Anyway, this is getting boring now, feel free hold on to whatever opinion you have, I'm not here to change it just because someone on the internets thinks differently. I have my opinions about various things around here, so what does that change? Nothing really. So not a problem for me unless people try to impose their different view onto what I did here and what I do, now that I obviously wouldn't like. Keep coming up wild theories and spinning ideas, at least there is some entertainment in reading those. So thanks for entertainment.
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You are welcome.
Its my pleasure.

[Donutman]

Hello,

that big one who destroyed earth is "ancient one" and he is last living nomad made by dom'kavash.

He is also so big that he cant travel faster then light thats why humans lived so long on Earth and thats why they survived in sirius sector for 800 years. Nomad war in sirius sector in 800AS was just a test, a game for nomads, hes real threat. He should be coming but it takes him a looooooooooong time.

Zee

Hey, man, will you PLEASE stop phrasing your theories as if they're proven canon? It'll confuse all the other new guys.

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This thread is so stupid that a bird sitting on a nearby tree just EXPLODED.

[Sabre120]

Yes, Yes the cradle of humanity was obliterated by the Nomads. You know in the final version, at the end where the little ship flies down into Manhattans atmosphere and lands at the colony site, well that is Atticus Rockford (Admiral), the only known survivor of the Sol cataclysm

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Dream Theater - "Sabre120 and Jongleur officially win. That is all."

[NixOlympica]

The Nomads are one and the same.
To assume otherwise would be very silly.

Keep in mind that Nomads have hypergates and whatnot and that the structure of the universe would be very different for them with this technology. Of course, that would explain the "Why are they in Sol?" question, but not the "Why are they active centuries before they were activated?"
So, to answer THAT question, I have made up a theory that explains things.
Perfectly.

It seems quite natural that this Nomad doom-machines hasn't been developed by the Nomads of Sirius, otherwise humanity would be dead. Right? Right. It's not much of a stretch to think that the Nomads could develop something like this in the future, though. So, keeping that and the anachronism in mind, it is not hard to posit that this large Super-Marduk was brought from the far-future of the Nomad/Human war. The Nomads weren't activated yet, right? So time-travel obviously explains why there's this massively advanced (moreso than "modern day" Nomads) gargantuan Nomad that can blow up stars. See, in the distant future, humanity and the Nomads are at war. The Nomads captured enough human data to realise just where the humans came from, and used the Daam K'Vosh technology to develop a time travel system. They sent their most "evolved" vessel, even more fearsome than the future Marduk, back to the human's home system in an effort to kill them before they ever reached Sirius. The Nomads were off by just a few seconds and failed, thus not altering history at all. (This was probably inevitably the case, if you're of that school of time-travel theory.)

This is excellent idea

Yes, Yes the cradle of humanity was obliterated by the Nomads. You know in the final version, at the end where the little ship flies down into Manhattans atmosphere and lands at the colony site, well that is Atticus Rockford (Admiral), the only known survivor of the Sol cataclysm

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