I don't play it as brain-based. But given that it's pure conjecture, there is no solid answer.
You can play it how you like, I can play it how I like. Frankly I find the idea of it actually being a neural net slightly stupid. Especially since any manner of awful things could be done to somebody's brain. If you can DDOS as server, imagine what you can do to somebody's head if they're surfing the web with their mind.
@ Fletch: Curious- how can it not be possible almost 1000 years in the future? (considering the exponential technological leap we've made from the 70's to the present?)
In present day Sirius, is present day concerns of bandwidth within the realm of Sirius a real concern?
Seems I share a bit of an opinion with Prowler: It ain't mindshare by any stretch...I figure that by now (Sirius time) the wireless signal is slingshot through every station connected to it, & connectivity is so commonplace (therefore cheap) that it's simply an afterthought...much like owning a TV nowandays...& just about everyone can afford to own a TV
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The way I've always figured it, routers & amplifiers are so commonplace & widespread that your general Sirian doesn't think twice about it...it's just is the way it is, & those without are the societal minority.
::edit @ Magoo: The point of the thread is not to discount the way others think of the N-N but to challenge ANYONE to offer written proof that it's not brain based.
It is debatable on the realms of technology and bandwifth realms on the question "is it solved?". Yes, in cities, stations and bases, I agree that the use and ease of terminals having easy access, physically or otherwise to the general neural net to be easy, and likely cheap due to such possible widespread adoption.
But the problem is between those points in space. True in stellar; as in within a solar system, trade lanes; stations; possible ships could act as relays. If allowed and not interrupted.
In the FL universe, we all know how simple it is to disrupt a lane, but does it stop with the 'power' used to hurl ships millions of miles? Does it also interrupt communications? If so, that could seriously be a problem. A theory I got is that there are small beacons, or transmitters either hidden, or so powerful they communicate with the gates, or even directly out of the system and to its destination directly. Slow, but more stable.
One problem is getting the information system to system. Even with gates, hurling objects was one problem, information could be another. A solution could be to 'piggyback' the information onto a travelling vessel heading to the information's destination, then relay it across the network on the other side. Problem, is it secure? Lane Hackers seem to have poisoned that method.
Solar information communications would be easier, and cheaper. For a true neural net in our sense, linking solar systems is a colossal problem in my mind. Keeping data secure, and fast to me is a near impossibility unless we cracked faster than light communications.
I'm unsure if its possible in Freelancer realistic wise, but in-game, we communicate to wherever we want instantly. But I'm doubtful its logical outside of the the in-game engine.
My extra 2 pennies.
EDIT: On the note of the 'brain-chip' style neural net. Planetary adoption is quite possible, quicker or immediate speeds.
In stations and solar systems to track people, trade information and such. Possible.
For intersteller connections. Unlikely, in my understanding of technology and some of its limits, it would be infeasible to 'link' intersteller networks in 'real-time' in what we understand neural nets to be. I'd perceive the data to come in pieces. Think of it as a YouTube video at dial-up speeds, you'd see the picture. Or pieces of it.
I wonder if any mad brain surgerons or computer hackers (Lane Hackers RP perhaps?) ever attemped to EDIT the 'packets' the nueral chip inside your head. Perhaps they'd use it to try to kill someone of notable importance, such as a preisdent/queen/chancellor. Make their ship read out as LN when its actually Lane Hacker.
I think "neuralnet" was just a fancy word someone used because it sounded fancy and then other people picked it up because they thought it sounded fancy, without thinking much about what it means.
"Internet" would probably be a better word to use.
Dont see a reason why there shouldnt be an internet in Sirius 800+
Unlikely, the chip would likely only transmit data to the language section of the brain, meaning the only thing the chip may access is how you read and translate sounds, writing and other things into something you understand. Possibly it may interact with the decision making, as in what the user wants to do next in 'browser' mode. I still reckon its speech recognition or even input based on holo-boards and such in order to avoid the scenario you are placing up.
I severely doubt the entire populace, nay the designers would let the chip be open to such a devastating attack.
However, a good EMP to the brain 'may' damage your brain through the chip, as shown in the film Surrogates.
I strongly doubt your scenario would happen Cam.
EDIT: @Dragonslayer - Very likely, look at HDTV buzz words. Capitalism against logic.
Also, a "neural network" is a network of nodes that adapt to the amount of "correct" descisions that result from a use of those nodes. Used to be a domain of informatics that was featured a lot in popular science for a while, but it didnt produce many useful results really. At least not more than something like linear regression or eigenvector analysis.
I think in discovery its jsut a substitute for the word internet, without much relation to the true meaning of the word.
Hate to state the obvious over & over again, but I'm not wanting to discuss weather sirius has the internet or not...they do & it's pointless to say they probably do.
Again, I'm curious about the way people here see the tech given the info provided...beyond that, if you wanna piss on my point of view, I'm cool with that...just give me something to work with that doesn't fart out of your mouth-holes on reflex.
for the most part, there's alot of good posts in here...keep it up:)
Optronics Wrote:By stringing together arrays of adaptable Optical Chips connected with gossamer thin webs of organically spun glass waveguides, a new type of computing machine was created. These Optronic devices utilize almost no moving parts, consume very little power, and operate at the speed of light. Because Optical Chips can almost instantly reprogram themselves, Optronics excel at the kind of signal processing and computation that underlie a host of practical applications ranging from Consumer Goods to ship avionics.
Nanocapacitors Wrote:The invention of nano-technology achieved wide-spread applications only after the development of efficient power sources that could be integrated into nano-machines. Nano-capacitors are capable of energy storage, recharging, and transmission of energy to nano-machines, which is vital to nano-technology applications. They are used in virtually every level of industrial processing and daily life.
Holo-tainment Bands Wrote:The most lucrative application of bio-neural processors is the development of interactive holo-tainment, which is achieved through the use of a band worn around the head that directly interfaces with a person's brain and literally reads their thoughts. The band responds by creating a virtual reality in the mind of the user according to pre-programmed scenarios and manipulates their neural impulses so that they perceive themselves as actually participating in the activities that the band is programmed with. Popular holo-tainment scenarios include exotic vacations and allowing a user to perceptually "become" a character in a fictional storyline. Since all bio-neural processors are organic, they degrade over time as they age and the holo-entertainment bands must be replaced. The long term health effects of bio-neural manipulation is unclear.
These are infocards of three items I see to be related to the topic at hand. Note the bolded sections of text I've done. All these items seem to really point in the direction of nano-machines and external devices literally, being able to alter what we perceive, and a method of data transmission that Marburg is defending. After looking at these again as a little research, I'm more inclined to favour Marburg's theory of the Neural net.
The technical capabilities do seem to be there, and not just on the foundation level. There does seem to be advancements made in 'Neural-communications'; as it were.
One thing that bugs me is the last section of the Holo-Tainment bands "The long term health effects of bio-neural manipulation is unclear." Whether this gives clearance for possible 'long-term' Neural-Net interaction is unknown. Would governments allow possible health risky brain communications devices? Maybe, if shown its safe. Holo-tainment bands are sold, but they're short term; there may be restrictions of use. Who knows.
In conclusion, the Neural Net in Marburg's eyes, is very possible, and quite likely to be in motion in Freelancer. We'll never know for certain, but the foundations are there for it, and I'd RP along with it should it happen.
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