Well now, i am personally more concerned with the amount of battleships the SF uses, battlestar or not. It makes no difference to two or three Corsair gunboats.
And I heard Ant say that they were a tad OP, which may be true, but my friend just killed a Corsair gunboat in his Container transport.
I also did a test with him with my (perfectly loaded out) Corsair gunboat. We stood 200m from each other and shot each other, not moving an inch. I died. He lived (with bots to spare).
Now tell me its OP:P.
But yes, it is odd to see the leader of the SF fly a Viper and a Battlestar. I even saw a Zoner juggernaught in their fleet, not too long ago.
Oh and before you say it, I have been trying to get MrSNS to not buy that battlestar.
' Wrote:But yes, it is odd to see the leader of the SF fly a Viper and a Battlestar. I even saw a Zoner juggernaught in their fleet, not too long ago.
I also fly a Bret GB, Bret Destroyer, Large Train, have plans for a Templar (no time to create) and Bret battleship (trading up to buy), but I see no one notices or feels to mention those. 4 out 7 SF combat chars are Bretonian vessels and the only reason the bomber is not Bretonian is because we don't have one.
So what do you want me to do...remove the tags off the Viper and Battlestar, have them carry merc ID and still perform the exact same actions supporting the SF. Or is it better to have them display the tag for the SF, peform its tasks, and actually show support for my faction.
I chose to allow my members some liberty in choosing their ships. You will not find them in unlawful or kusari vessels but I don't feel it necessary to prevent them from accessing civilian or neutral vessels which can be purchased by the highest bidder. My last point is with respect to new recruits. New recruits who join the SF, the very first char we help them setup is, guess what, a Bretonian Templar fighter.
Side Topic: For the Corsair Gunboat OP question, how does the vessel compare against house and other gunboats?
The Bretonian GB and Destroyer are two of the worst ships I've flown.
Oversized, underpowered and unmaneuverable. You don't see any mercs using them for good reason.
Amen to that, my GB could be eaten alive by almost anything, and the 2 weeks I flew that destroyer for made me want to cry. Yes, the SF uses a lot of non-BAF Equipment, but the stuff we're given sucks. I could stand to see less ravens talons though, tha IMG really shouldn't be giving us a ship.
As for the bombers, we've RP'd that several times, and we DID ask RM command before we bought them, same thing with my cruiser.
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I don't like the fact that Billy the Kid has two battleships, 1 fighter, and a GB in SF. And one of those battleships is a Zoner Juggernaut. Say the SA went out and bought some Spyglasses. That's nearly the same thing.
Hell, he doesn't need 2 battleships. Doesn't he know he can only fly one at a time...
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' Wrote:I don't like the fact that Billy the Kid has two battleships, 1 fighter, and a GB in SF. And one of those battleships is a Zoner Juggernaut. Say the SA went out and bought some Spyglasses. That's nearly the same thing.
Hell, he doesn't need 2 battleships. Doesn't he know he can only fly one at a time...
There's a difference there, SA/Liberty Navy is not on good-terms with Lane Hackers who make the Spyglass. SF has no ill will towards Zoners which are a neutral group. If a player in the SF did ask for a Spyglass they would be denied.
As for the two battleships, there aren't restrictions on the number of ships a player can have, plus as you said, he can only fly one at a time anyways. Some players do prefer battleships, but there are others who also only prefer fighters. I let my members decide what they want to use. Plus having RP events restricting the ship class does act to encourage use of those ships, which is why the KNF convoy event is still restricted to gunboats and smaller.
I've seen this type of problem more and more as of late. It seems to me that the borders of role-play are coming closer and closer to cutting off anything other than stories and "I'm a criminal, so I'm going to kill you" type of role-play. Originality is kind of a dying thing. Granted, there could be some more RP involved in some positions, but much of it is just common sense.
Take, for example, the United States Military. I'm going to use the U.S. military branches in this example/analogy because I am most familiar with it. Yes, the military uses its own equipment, but they also use equipment confiscated from terrorists/insurgents/enemy countries/whatever else they're calling "them" now. However, the idea of using enemy/friendly equipment is further exploited by other counties around the world. They will buy what they need to defend their countries, and they might not buy it from their homeland. Instead, they will buy used equipment as it is cheaper, and throw a more "ragtag" military together than those used by richer countries.
According to Freelancer history, we can assume with almost 100% accuracy that Sirius is not the most stable of a collection of "powers." Because of this, it can also be assumed that there will be internal problems within each of the houses. Power struggles, and less important issues is where money is going to be wasted. If a military has the ability to get cheaper equipment, I could hazard a guess that they would in a period of upheaval. Also, remember that Bretonia is currently losing the war. It can be assumed that they are running low on resources. This means that many of these resources are being allocated for more than just military vehicles. This slows down production. If production is slowed too much, Bretonia will be crushed by Kusari. They need sustenance, and can easily obtain it from neutral corporations and/or organizations.
Now, on to the Rheinland bomber debate. I'll go back to WWI for this. When the war first started, Germany, Austria-Hungary, the Ottoman Empire were warring with France and Britain for the most part. The United States did not know who to support. Very much like in this position, they were leaning towards supporting the Central Powers (Germany, Austria-Hungary, Ottoman Empire) due to their having a better cause for the war. Rheinland may be feeling this same way. However, we know (I hope) that the U.S. decided to back the Allied Powers. This was mostly for pecuniary reasons.
Even before the U.S. decided, however, they were considered "an Arsenal for Democracy." A somewhat preachy term for their "under-the-table" support to the Allied Powers. The RM/SF situation is very similar. Rheinland can be considered the U.S. here. They have outspoken their support to Kusari, but may find that because the SF will buy their bombers, there is pecuniary gain here. Rheinland is more or less considered the poorest of the houses, and the financial gain that they can obtain through the help of SF funds is more effective than KNF offerings. Also, we can assume that Rheinland is aware that if they were to back SF, they would get involved in the war. This would make them choose sides, and it's a good chance that they'll choose to align themselves with SF. Why? A three house on one fight is stacked in Rheinland's favor, in addition to the pecuniary benefits involved with it.
Bestflyer, while the SA and SF ship neutrality is somewhat similar, please keep in mind that the HF allow lawful ships, regardless of alignment. Because of the breaches here, and with SF, I would say that the SF/HF scenario is quite similar.
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Thank you for your civilized reponses. I appreciate them, as I'm sadly accustomed to flames around here.
I understand your viewpoints, but realize that HF uses only Liberty ships, and it is part of our main RP, from the very beginning. We were former Liberty Navy, and managed to steal a few ships as we were being run out of Liberty.
I guess the main thing that bothers me is the disregard for RP that I've seen sprouting up in the SF. I hate to say it, but I was talking to Wolfpack today, and he agrees. And your choice of recruits. Ghost Pilot? Come on, Firebird...
Hyperwave, sorry to jump around, but when has the U.S. used weapons of Al Qaeda? Hell, back when Iraq was fighting against Iran, we gave them weapons to use. I understand that the Order did steal the Osiris, but generally do you think the Zoners would sell their battleship? I mean, there's gotta be few of them, and they'd probably scoff at Bretonian Military, who have their own battleship, paying to buy one...
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@Bestflyer - I suppose I should have made myself a little more clear on the weapons. Terrorists/Insurgents doesn't really make sense. In previous wars, the U.S. has done this. I can't expect them to use weapons and equipment from groups that use lower levels of technology. Also, please keep in mind that the U.S. has been in more than this current war. They've been happening ever since the founding of the nation.
Also, on the Zoner point, it comes down to money. The Zoners know that a militarized force is not going to attack them due to the neutrality. This gives the Zoners reign as to what they sell. As long as they offer the other side the same, then both factions will try to avoid fights with them.
I don't think you have any right to criticize Firebird about his "choice of recruits." There is a recruitment policy in place, and there is no point in trying to keep out the people that others hate.
Finally, if you could please clarify this for me: by "disregard of RP," are you referring specifically to the ships and recruitment policy?
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Yes, the Americans did use weapons such as the MP-40 in WWII, but in Vietnam? By then, we had much superior weapons than the Soviet-supplied North Vietnamese did. I think the main reason for countries to use their enemies' looted weapons because their own did not satisfy their expectations.
On the Zoner Jug thing... Damn, ya got me there. Looks like I was wrong on this one.
I am merely advising SF to watch out what recruits it er... recruits. The few I've seen on lately have been (by my perspective) ruining SF's RP respect in Discovery. I am biased against Ghost Pilot due to my personal witness of F.E.A.R.'s disregard for RP in their ship, tag, and ID choices, their ooc in system, and their breaking of server rules.
Disregard for RP, you have proven me wrong on the ship issue, but there have been several instances of ooc in system, and out of RP grouping (which I know not all agree with) that have been severely annoying. I do not have screens at the time, but I shall attempt to take some, and give them to you ASAP.
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