How do Police / Military pilots get paid?

[kramer]

The problem is that a lot of (new) player still got this clan-pvp-thinking but this is not a H vs X server/community.
As i have read here some are criticising factions without even played them.

I know that a lot of official police/military factions got shared traders or even a trading branch and doing internal trading missions.
And as already mentioned if you fund your pirate char with a smuggler why it is out of your mind that a police/military char get funded by a corporation trader? Beside that the police/military can trade.
Btw: One of my lawful char got a new watch funded recently... :D


A lot of players here got several char in different faction on both 'sides'. So the statement that pirate factions outnumber police/military factions is wrong.

@Jarl: One on my chars bumped into a KSP char yesterday, so they are active.

@Anomander: And how is a pirate gunboat with cap armor funded?
As Zoey already said you should pirate for fun and with decent RP and not to get rich.
A lot of player still don't get this and remain in this 2milordie universe.

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[Anomander]

@Anomander: And how is a pirate gunboat with cap armor funded?
As Zoey already said you should pirate for fun and with decent RP and not to get rich.
A lot of player still don't get this and remain in this 2milordie universe.

How? hmm... bomer stop a trader in a trade line, and make hip to pay 1-5 M, x 10 times You have a 10-50M - so that mean a Gunboat, after week You have a gunboat with CA8 and high klass weaopnary...

after a month You can buy a BC...

some pirates admit that They force to pay a newbies, when there is small amount of Police/Navy They are unstopable.

All what I want - is little change... becouse that situation makes our RP serwer - non Fun serwer, or Pirate Fun serwer.

Zoey - pirate for fun, as I said - Good for You, and all people who pirate for fun... and doing this becouse to make a better RP, but still people who do this is smal % of all pirates.

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[Hone]

I pirate for fun, I have fun when I interact with a trader, I find it very fun when I get money, I find it fun when I spend that money on new ships for my pirates, I find it even more fun when I use those new ships to pirate more, and earn even MORE money.
I'v earned easily a hundred mill with my pirates, about a 6th of my total earnings.

When I was BAF I found flying around and interacting fun, I found watching my earnings slowly dropping not so much fun, I found the sense of futility distinctly un-fun.

I still have those pirates, My BAF is now a privateer. I know I'm not alone in this.

It's true it would be hard to organise wages, - and don't be silly; fining pirates? I'm sure everyone knows that won't work -
So either official trader faction pays official lawfull faction, but then lawfull indies get left out, and traders all leave official facion; So the only way that works is if all lawfulls and traders have to join the official faction.
Or paying is done of the traders own accord (individually or in groups) and posted on the forums in a special tax thread - like buying liscences in bretonia, but again lawfull indies left out.
Or lawfulls tax those they see in space, but that's a little close to piracy.

Prehaps a mix, official traders pay offical faction, and anyone else can choose to pay official faction aswell, then anyone who hasn't paid, can be taxed MORE in space by official faction OR indies.
It would be fixed rates, and cheaper than piracy.

Yes, that seems the best way I can think of.

TheJarl is dam right, roleplaying is best when it corresponds to what is actually happening, not just making things up.

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[Anomander]

I pirate for fun, I have fun when I interact with a trader, I find it very fun when I get money, I find it fun when I spend that money on new ships for my pirates, I find it even more fun when I use those new ships to pirate more, and earn even MORE money.
I'v earned easily a hundred mill with my pirates, about a 6th of my total earnings.

When I was BAF I found flying around and interacting fun, I found watching my earnings slowly dropping not so much fun, I found the sense of futility distinctly un-fun.

And That is what I talking about - is much much easier this days be a Pirate than a Police/Navy - so maybe we will ask Admin, can They make/give a money to official leaders - who will give that cash to lawfull forces, as Their payment.

I think that will be fair option and will bring balance to the universe.

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[Hone]

As a soluion, I'm against admin intervention giving money from nowhere to the lawfull factions - who knows what that would do to the economy - The traders are the ones being protected, so they should be the ones paying.

However if admin intervention is the only option its better than nothing.

Seems that only those who actually patrol should be paid, so when the lawfuls have done a patrol they should post in the message dump to prove, and then they will be paid.

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[Not Espi]

RP means ROLE PLAY, everybody wants money in RL, Freelancer might be in the future, but people still want to have money. So it is part of the ROLE you PLAY that you want money. There is no better way to RP then create a realistic environment. It is much easier to work for money then to work and say you do it for money, but actually don't get any, you would need to act like you do, but it's much easier to act like you really would in a situation. As such we need that situation and the situation requires money.

i assume you only have one character, since you posted this. one military / police force character and nothing else. iRL you cant swap accounts and use your 'other life' to make money as an investment banker.

Ever tried fining a pirate? It won't work, it will always end up in a fight and there will be no money, plus is it realistic to have a job and then have to gather the wages yourself, don't think so.

kill him, sell his mines, cd ammo, cm ammo. half a million profit.

and .. to others:

the admins WILL NOT give money for free. not you, not faction leaders, not themselves, no one. look, people - we all have to make money iRL and in FL. there are hundreds of players that are not complaining about it. how much cash do you need to keep your military / police character up and running? assuming you die, you have to buy stuff for roughly 600.000 credits. that's what ... 2 minutes of your trader time? quit being a wuss and man up.

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Seems that only those who actually patrol should be paid, so when the lawfuls have done a patrol they should post in the message dump to prove, and then they will be paid.

read: a few official faction members have to POWERTRADE 90% of their game time to make money for wages of the others.

just ... make a short 10 million run, send the cash to your lawful, live off the ten million for a few days. then make another run, send the money to your lawful, live off it for several days, repeat cycle. everyone does it, why should a few guys have special treatment? just because you are not happy about it?

[Akura]

The problem is, everything revolves around Trading/Mining, we'll call that T&M.


Trading and Mining is the main method people should make money, for a whole host of reasons.


Without T&M, there would be no pirates pirating the lanes.

Without T&M, there would be no need for Police to enforce the laws of Smuggling etc.

Without T&M, the Militaries wouldn't have the funding to actually fight their wars.

Without T&M, Corporations and groups like the IMG/GMG would die out,

Without T&M, poor groups like the Xenos, Bundschuh etc would not have a reason to exist, they'd die out,

Without T&M, Discovery would not work


Everything revolves around T&M, it is the main lifeforce of Disco. We need Traders to be trading, and miners to be mining, or else there is no reason for anyone to fight any of the petty wars.

There is a reason that Trading and Mining is the main source of income, and important reason, anything else is just Roleplay, get used to it.


If you want to make money, Trade, or Mine. If people make money otherwise, there is no reason to play this stupid game.

This is why I only ever pirate for 500,000.

[Pinko]

Lawful Fines = Reverse piracy.

Plus, people don't whine when you ask them to pay 4 million credits and STILL destroy their cargo when you're a lawful. Truefact.

(If they don't pay) Well, destroy them and have your friend bring a transport to carry the cargo, then split the profits as you protect the ''evidences'' of the crime.

There's a reason why this game is a multiplayer game.

/endthread.

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[kramer]

In brief: No trading, no piracy, no lawfuls.

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Armin van Buuren

[Hone]

The problem is, everything revolves around Trading/Mining, we'll call that T&M.
Trading and Mining is the main method people should make money, for a whole host of reasons.
Without T&M, there would be no pirates pirating the lanes.

Without T&M, there would be no need for Police to enforce the laws of Smuggling etc.

Without T&M, the Militaries wouldn't have the funding to actually fight their wars.

Without T&M, Corporations and groups like the IMG/GMG would die out,

Without T&M, poor groups like the Xenos, Bundschuh etc would not have a reason to exist, they'd die out,

Without T&M, Discovery would not work
Everything revolves around T&M, it is the main lifeforce of Disco. We need Traders to be trading, and miners to be mining, or else there is no reason for anyone to fight any of the petty wars.

There is a reason that Trading and Mining is the main source of income, and important reason, anything else is just Roleplay, get used to it.
If you want to make money, Trade, or Mine. If people make money otherwise, there is no reason to play this stupid game.

This is why I only ever pirate for 500,000.

You're mostly right, Trading and mining should be the way to make the most money, otherwise no-one would do it (because it's boring) and discovery would not work.
I am not suggesting lawfulls should get rich via this proposed wage, not even as much as pirates, because pirating is more dangerous, however, pirates and freelancers can still make some money and lawfulls should be put somewhere between them, AS LONG AS THEY ACTUALLY PATROL.

You may only pirate for 500000.
I dont.
Neither do most.

just ... make a short 10 million run, send the cash to your lawful, live off the ten million for a few days. then make another run, send the money to your lawful, live off it for several days, repeat cycle. everyone does it, why should a few guys have special treatment? just because you are not happy about it?

First: That earns no money, I think you are repeatedly missing the point of the thread, which is to increase police/lawfull numbers, by giving them a reason to play - a fair and realistic wage - and enhance role-play because police will be acting to earn their wage, as they would be in real life.
Second: I did not propose anyone got special treatment. Unless you think actually having to work to earn is "special treatment". In real life, a policeman who never went out on patrol, would be fired.

I agree that asking admins to pay the wages is not desirable because:
A: They probs won't.
B: It disrupts economy, and traders get it for free.

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