' Wrote:Nothing personal OSI, I merely disagree how you run a corporation under zoner banner. As far as I am concerned, and by no means I am an authority here, zoners left houses to leave corporations and governments behind.
To be a zoner and run a corporation seems to me like a well devised way of tax evasion. Not a real zoner way of life, suits and zoners dont mix that well in my opinion.
The person that is speaking from Freeport XV has the OSI logo in his comunications, and its still not decided to who FP XV belongs, besides under whose authority he gives permits for Zoner technology?
Perhaps if you bothered to read up on the faction you feel like commenting on; you'd notice OSI's purpose is to make it so other Zoners don't have to worry about going into House space to get the goods they need to live their lives. Zoners left the houses for various reasons, not just to leave the houses and corporations behind.
I'd again like to ask what taxes we are evading? If you don't think suits and Zoners mix, then perhaps you should inspect the Zoner NPC faction a bit closer. Notice all those stations? Capital ships? Technology? How do you think that was paid for? Through business. Credits don't grow in Bio Domes.
Yes, as I said, the person running Freeport XV is an employee of OSI. He is using is OSI comm bars because he hasn't gotten any finished Freeport XV Admin comm bars, yet.
Freeport XV belongs to the Zoner NPC faction. Of which OSI and TAZ are the official factions. Its been a standard operating procedure for awhile now to allow people to play the administrators have the various independant Freeports. As the Omicroners left Sirius, Freeport XV became an independent station. As far as I am aware, none of the active OSI, TAZ, or independent Zoner players have an issue with Gytrash running Freeport XV.
As a member of OSI's leadership, Gytrash has the authority to hand out Zoner technology. Be it via role play or out of role play. In this case he handed it out via role play, but not OSI's role play, his own.
' Wrote:Nothing personal OSI, I merely disagree how you run a corporation under zoner banner. As far as I am concerned, and by no means I am an authority here, zoners left houses to leave corporations and governments behind.
To be a zoner and run a corporation seems to me like a well devised way of tax evasion. Not a real zoner way of life, suits and zoners dont mix that well in my opinion.
The person that is speaking from Freeport XV has the OSI logo in his comunications, and its still not decided to who FP XV belongs, besides under whose authority he gives permits for Zoner technology?
Lord knows I'm not a member of OSI. But it's worth putting out there that the TAZ trade like it's going out of style (someone find me a number of tons of ore they've moved and win a cookie) and before the Omis changed their name after blowing up FP9 they were the Zoner Trade Consortium.
So good luck finding a Zoner faction which doesn't fall into your realm of distaste. Besides, what are they supposed to do if not trade? Warmonger? That doesn't usually work out too well. Some might say it's faction ending.
Furthermore! When has anyone ever forwarded so much as an iota of support for the idea that the Zoners consider the notion of commercial endeavors as anathema. Heck, the good ol boys on Ames have built a business on taking the local Xeno population to town on overpriced rad meds while sitting pretty on the very gate of Liberty and Kusari alike while simultaneously playing host to Hacker and Hogosha interests. If that's not a shrewd businessman I've got a Blue Blaze to sell you for 50 million credits. Best code out there, cross my heart.
There's plenty to suggest that they reckon the houses are twelve kinds of something to fall under the banner of, but at the same time there's plenty to ingest which leaves the fruity flavor of a people determined to do it better themselves.
Edit: Sorru Styg for stepping into your party. My keyboard twitched when I read that post. I'll build you a couple of combustion engines as apology.
' Wrote:My point was this: "There is no such thing as a "Zoner way"". Zoners are extremely diverse in their views and opinions.
Let's get one thing straight.
There is no Zoner way because the player base RPing Zoners each decided on their own way to go about things without actually studying Freelancer lore. Zoners are extremely diverse because the players are. In the lore, there definitely is a Zoner way, code, and significant pattern of behavior. In fact, there is much more evidence that Zoners are similar and very little to suggest that they are any more diverse than Corsairs.
But here I am talking about NPC lore.
So if anybody, Wood, Cross, or Stygian, wish to have an argument on the matter, pick one stance.
Either you argue on the basis of FL lore or you argue based on player lore. Just don't mix the two because you end up picking whichever elements suit you best from both sides of the field.
As for the OSI/ZTC penis waving contest, I thought that would have ended long ago. ZTC players never made any more mistakes than OSI players. Set an example for the rest of the guys and shake hands already.
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' Wrote:You also mentioned how Zoners left the houses to get away from the governments and corporations. That doesn't mean we are 100% opposed to them. That just means the original Zoners wanted to leave and do things their own way. Which is exactly what we are doing. Besides, most Zoners now are second generation and don't hold any real grudges towards the houses.
Here is a great example of what I was talking about. Zoners are totally, 100% opposed to the governments and their corporations. This mindset you are suggesting is entirely player driven, which is fine, but let's not mislabel it for NPC lore. As for Zoners being a second generation that also isn't true.
Zoners have been around since 550 A.S. which is around 300 years. In 800 A.S., they are still very much holding grudges against the Houses.
' Wrote:As for the OSI/ZTC penis waving contest, I thought that would have ended long ago. ZTC players never made any more mistakes than OSI players. Set an example for the rest of the guys and shake hands already.
Last time I checked (opening this thread) OSI was sitting in their lawn chairs drinking lemonade when they were informed that someone had pooped in their feedback thread. Hard to shake the hand of the fellow popping a squat over your petunias.
' Wrote:Last time I checked (opening this thread) OSI was sitting in their lawn chairs drinking lemonade when they were informed that someone had pooped in their feedback thread. Hard to shake the hand of the fellow popping a squat over your petunias.
There is no Zoner way because the player base RPing Zoners each decided on their own way to go about things without actually studying Freelancer lore (with you). Zoners are extremely diverse because the players are. In the lore, there definitely is a Zoner way, code, and significant pattern of behavior. In fact, there is much more evidence that Zoners are similar and very little to suggest that they are any more diverse than Corsairs.
But here I am talking about NPC lore.
So if anybody, Wood, Cross, or Stygian, wish to have an argument on the matter, pick one stance.
Either you argue on the basis of FL lore or you argue based on player lore. Just don't mix the two because you end up picking whichever elements suit you best from both sides of the field.
As for the OSI/ZTC penis waving contest, I thought that would have ended long ago. ZTC players never made any more mistakes than OSI players. Set an example for the rest of the guys and shake hands already.
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Here is a great example of what I was talking about. Zoners are totally, 100% opposed to the governments and their corporations. This mindset you are suggesting is entirely player driven, which is fine, but let's not mislabel it for NPC lore. As for Zoners being a second generation that also isn't true.
Zoners have been around since 550 A.S. which is around 300 years. In 800 A.S., they are still very much holding grudges against the Houses.
I was the one that did the research into vanilla Zoner lore, you know, pulling every iota of anything from vanilla that mentioned Zoners. You need not preach to me about vanilla Zoners. I know what they were. I also know that Disco Zoners =/= Vanilla Zoners. Thus, vanilla Zoners have very little bearing on how we, Disco players, role play Zoners here on Disco.
I've long picked one stance. Disco Zoners =/= Vanilla Zoners.
You're right, the ZTC members haven't made anymore mistakes than OSI members. The mistakes were made by the faction's respective leaders and I'm certain we can agree that the ZTC/Omicroner leadership made more. Both from a player and from a character perspective.
As for setting an example? Not gunna happen. I offered my hand to Lou, Jinx, and n00blet multiple times, only to have them bite it off and allow their members to call me all manner of names. I'm not going to lie, I'm extremely happy that the Omicroners as a faction are gone. I hated having to deal with them, as did almost the entire server. Though, there were jewels, like Moebus and Burns, who were thoroughly a blast to play with.
As for your claim that Zoners are 100% opposed to governments and corps, do provide some proof. I've read all of the vanilla stuff, same as you and I don't recall anything stating as much. Unless you are interpreting something in your own way. Which isn't any different than what others do.
Really? 300 years and still holding a grudge? I guess as an American I still hate England.......thanks for en lighting me to who I actually hate.
No, they popped a squat in their feedback thread. Then you told everyone to be friends. Then you were sarcastic when it was pointed out that they were popping a squat. Now I'm posting. Then you'll post something defensive under a mask of cordial chortling. Then we'll both lose interest.
I have some blue berry cobbler. You're all welcome to some of it, including the aforementioned players I dislike.
Not an olive branch, I know, but there. If you want to comment in this thread: Keep in on topic. We don't represent all Zoners, nor do we pretend to do so. No debating what is and isn't Zoner.
' Wrote:You're right, the ZTC members haven't made anymore mistakes than OSI members. The mistakes were made by the faction's respective leaders and I'm certain we can agree that the ZTC/Omicroner leadership made more. Both from a player and from a character perspective.
Cross, you're still trying to be funny. Well, that IS funny to see you running around in loops.
Distinguishing the rp and player level isn't really smart of you since you've merged both levels. Sure, sounds nice and makes a feasible outfit for the independent traders cowering behind OSI. Basically NPC Faction abuse you guys are doing.
As for the ZTC, it's simple: It was all covered by their members, and there was an amount of rp significance you won't ever reach with OSI, just because it takes some courage to create a faction profile, you know? And it's pretty obvious you don't have any, so ... carry on with that boring powertrading you've disguised behind "Zoner RP".
Oh, and just because you've researched vanilla lore doesn't mean you've gained any expertise. I'd rather say you've made the worst decision of all Zoner players by approving a very stupid idea here: Disco Zoner != Vanilla Zoner.
Ever thought about what's left when you're scratching everything from the Zoner plates except for trades?
Look, another comes from the wood works. Very entertaining.
I've not merged player and role play. That would have been your domain, Lou. You were always unable to separate player from character.
Do explain how we are abusing the Zoner NPC faction. I'm sure we'd all like to hear your explanation.
As for your comments about your RP significance? What significance? Your faction is gone and everyone has moved on. No one even really noticed you left (for the second time, mind you). Courage? Laughs Playing a game takes courage now?
Sure, we never had the events the ZTC had, but I do recall we participated in them heavily. Was rather hard for us to have events like you did because we stuck to our guns. No capital ships. Period. Your faction folded because it became hard to keep people interested in a Zoner faction that doesn't allow the use of them. I would know, we deal with it all of the time. We managed where you failed.
That is your opinion and you're entitled to it. It is a rather idiotic opinion if you look at the facts, but you were always pron to idiotic ideas and thoughts.
I've not scratched anything from the Zoner plates. Independent Zoners are free to role play a Zoner how they want. I, nor have any other OSI leadership, ever pretended that OSI represented all Zoners. We represent a group of Zoners. A group that consists of traders, fighters, and business men. Unlike your faction, we won't compromise our faction's founding lore and role play for the sake of activity. If we can't generate the required activity required to maintain our status doing what it is the faction was founded to do, then we'll relinquish our status.
Edit: Taking bets on when n00bs and other Omicroners will drop by to take pot shots. PM for details.