' Wrote:Yes good luck. Cause we need another generic pirate group like i need a second anus.
Also ships your using/goals/ZOI and a few other things are missing still, or are you going with use anything/land anywhere crap.
PS. If i see you start wearing fluffy ears, or have tails... I will just start shooting you all on site in every ship, not just lawful.
' Wrote:Blood Dragon dont go pirating and make money from it, GC do that when they high, and Hogosha do that when they need money to buy GC slave on black market from AFA and Samura, thats how Kusari economic run
No. The Blood Dragons DO make money from pirating and no Hogosha does not buy GC slaves.. Now, I may be wrong, but then I'd like to see your proof of this.
Basically what your group is doing is preparing a group of teenagers to fight against themselves in the future. How does that make sense?
' Wrote:Basically what your group is doing is preparing a group of teenagers to fight against themselves in the future. How does that make sense?
It makes no sense at all. But then again, most groups in Disco make no sense at all. So they should fit right in, and probably get own ship line within a few months, while the real factions continue with vanila ships.
' Wrote:No. The Blood Dragons DO make money from pirating and no Hogosha does not buy GC slaves.. Now, I may be wrong, but then I'd like to see your proof of this.
My blood dragon never do such piracy, he stand firm to defend the shogunate, I believe Blood Dragon are not pirating faction, meanwhile Hogos are Yakuza faction, they are conservative type of crime organization, they do all of [censored] except drugs, and they run the biggest prostitution business in Kusari, so who will be their "employee" if not GC slave who they bought from their "close allies" AFA and Samura
Edit : That's why in .86 dev team give Samura and AFA their own system with mining field buff, so they stop slaving poor GC girls:D
' Wrote:Basically what your group is doing is preparing a group of teenagers to fight against themselves in the future. How does that make sense?
This
' Wrote:......most groups in Disco make no sense at all....
I think it's kind of a unique idea with a lot of potential...however, I have one BIIIIIIG nitpick.
At least from the standpoint of the LPI, as I'm a Deputy Chief there, I do believe I can say this:
Don't expect us to hunt you down because you're kids in spaceships, we don't fly around with a list of missing/runaway kids from all over Sirius, so how are we supposed to know who any of you people are unless you tell us? And even if you do, it's not our job really. I welcome the opportunity to meet you guys in space for what's hopefully some interesting and unique RP...
Buuut I guess the point I'm trying to make is this:
If you see yourselves as hostile to the -Police- factions of the Houses, it's simply because you want to be hostile to them.
Aaaand, you certainly shouldn't see yourselves as hostile to the Military factions of -any- House because seriously? They're the military/Navy/Armed Forces, they simply don't care about runaway kids unless those kids are blowing stuff up.
Nooooot trying to sound harsh but really, barring your ID choice, there's no reason for you to be Hostile toward the Military or Law Enforcement in the Houses.
Just something to maybe think about.
Other than that, it seems like a kinda cool idea and I wish you guys luck with it.
And as said before, I certainly welcome the chance to meet any of the affiliated characters in game on any of my characters.
It is a very unique and well-thought idea! Just make sure to be realistic and many new roleplay opportunies can arise from this.
' Wrote:Blood Dragon dont go pirating and make money from it, GC do that when they high, and Hogosha do that when they need money to buy GC slave on black market from AFA and Samura, thats how Kusari economic run
' Wrote:Yes good luck. Cause we need another generic pirate group like i need a second anus.
This is already not generic: "most of the time preferring to just move away from people refusing to pay so-called protection money, rather than acting as common pirates by blowing them off the skies"
' Wrote:Also ships your using/goals/ZOI and a few other things are missing still, or are you going with use anything/land anywhere crap.
"Tech: civilian & border worlds ships ( lf, hf, vhf, bomber, freighter ' no guboats and transports for now )"
"Their goals differ time by time from having fun to piling up supplies"
"and their lifestyle is pretty much nomadic, traveling base-to-base and staying for various periods of time."
' Wrote:PS. If i see you start wearing fluffy ears, or have tails... I will just start shooting you all on site in every ship, not just lawful.
I know I should have put this to the FAQ, even so I mentioned nothing like that above
' Wrote:What happens when they're past 16?
' Wrote:Basically what your group is doing is preparing a group of teenagers to fight against themselves in the future. How does that make sense?
' Wrote:It makes no sense at all. But then again, most groups in Disco make no sense at all. So they should fit right in, and probably get own ship line within a few months, while the real factions continue with vanila ships.
First of all we are children, and therefore we did not really plan so far yet, however strange as it might sound we will most probably not send anyone away, in about 5-6 ingame years we would probably (yes, just probably for now) look like a mobile orphanage of a less lawful sort. It is just a recruitment maximum and not a stay maximum, if they are apart from those House laws they believe they can't really become like those adults they dislike (it is not necessarily true, we are children after all, should us be as smart and wise as a 75 years old person?). And for a wandering faction, why would we want to have own shiplines and HOW would children build ships for themselves in the first place? We get what we can and manage to use (talking about tech nerfs by that) and those are mostly civilian and bw tech, we don't have any such big plans as building bases and a spacefleet. Perhaps you should refrain from thinking all the factions are the same, rage at those already taking your new techs and rage at us once (if EVER) we would do the same. Basicly, accuse us of various things once you will have any reason to do so (and yes, with these I was only talking to ryoken only)
' Wrote:Don't expect us to hunt you down because you're kids in spaceships, we don't fly around with a list of missing/runaway kids from all over Sirius, so how are we supposed to know who any of you people are unless you tell us? And even if you do, it's not our job really. I welcome the opportunity to meet you guys in space for what's hopefully some interesting and unique RP...
Buuut I guess the point I'm trying to make is this:
If you see yourselves as hostile to the -Police- factions of the Houses, it's simply because you want to be hostile to them.
Aaaand, you certainly shouldn't see yourselves as hostile to the Military factions of -any- House because seriously? They're the military/Navy/Armed Forces, they simply don't care about runaway kids unless those kids are blowing stuff up.
Nooooot trying to sound harsh but really, barring your ID choice, there's no reason for you to be Hostile toward the Military or Law Enforcement in the Houses.
Well, I should ease your worries right now. We do not expect to be known to anyone at start or later, and even those who would hear about us would most likely not take us seriously, this applies to police etc. We do not go against factions because rephack makes them red, it just means that we do not like them, and thus we try to avoid them if possible. Your reactions to our factions are your decisions only, we don't want to (neither we could!) force you to see us as enemies and hunt us down, anyway as you said you have a million more pressing problems to take care of than roaming kids. So we have no specified enemies or friends yet, as you can see our diplomacy part is plain blank (FAQ) and we are not attacking lawfuls just because they are there, if they do not bug us we will not go "ragin trigger happy adults of Sirius" most of people roleplay around. The rep ensures our members will not go to stations where in rp we don't want to go to
Quote:First of all we are children, and therefore we did not really plan so far yet, however strange as it might sound we will most probably not send anyone away, in about 5-6 ingame years we would probably (yes, just probably for now) look like a mobile orphanage of a less lawful sort.
Quote:The Stragglers' Brigade recruits children younger than 16 years and older than 12, either by extracting them from their environments by request, or by picking them up from the streets on various planets.
Firstly, while the idea itself sounds interesting at least, there are many points you really ought to consider. I also intended to post this several days ago, but my internet has decided to pretty much die since thursday/friday. For example, you would have a considerable amount of trouble with the law enforcement agencies (you're effectively kidnapping kids under the law in most of the houses, even if the kids request you pick them up). Also, the fact that you're kids to begin with. To pilot a starship and successfully navigate space would require some reasonable levels of education that children simply would be extremely unlikely to possess, especially ones you just "extracted" off the streets and from slums etc.
On top of that, being kids, I really don't think you would last long at all on any unlawful or even Zoner station without any support network (friends/family/gangs), aka you would have been kidnapped and sold into slavery very quickly. Do you have any idea how much money it would cost to run and maintain your starships? Where would you even get your money from? Where would you get your ships from? You stole ALL of them? Highly unlikely, and if you did you would have ended up making some serious enemies amongst criminals (since you would find it extremely difficult to steal ships from lawful organisations). Kids stealing fighters and bombers would anger and embarass a lot criminals/law agencies/both and would not leave you much in the way of choices when it comes to bases to rearm and repair, assuming you could even afford to do so.
Assuming you bought all your stuff, again, where are you getting all the money? You're kids. Pirates/criminals/merchants etc wouldn't do business with kids. You might find a few unscrupulous individuals who would, but these are just as likely to capture you and sell you into slavery than actually sell you anything, and even if they did they'd demand a high price tag on anything they sold. And where do you get the money? Sure, your initial character (leader of the faction) resorted to the old cliche "I stole my ship!", but you can't realistically use that for every single character. Ships cost millions of credits (in RP you could say its really only a few hundred k for cheap ships, but still) and you're picking up poor waifs and runaways off the streets of planets. Hardly wealthy individuals, and you'd have no private investors or secret funding.
Quote:Well, I should ease your worries right now. We do not expect to be known to anyone at start or later, and even those who would hear about us would most likely not take us seriously, this applies to police etc. We do not go against factions because rephack makes them red, it just means that we do not like them, and thus we try to avoid them if possible. Your reactions to our factions are your decisions only, we don't want to (neither we could!) force you to see us as enemies and hunt us down, anyway as you said you have a million more pressing problems to take care of than roaming kids. So we have no specified enemies or friends yet, as you can see our diplomacy part is plain blank (FAQ) and we are not attacking lawfuls just because they are there, if they do not bug us we will not go "ragin trigger happy adults of Sirius" most of people roleplay around. The rep ensures our members will not go to stations where in rp we don't want to go to
You know, I would have thought you could trust your members to act responsibly enough to not dock on bases they aren't supposed to because of faction RP, even if your IFF/ID/game mechanics allows you to do so. If you can't trust them to even dock only at bases allowed by your faction RP, how can you expect them to follow the rest of your faction RP? But anyway, I digress.
I know it may seem like nitpicking to you, but these are, I feel, legitimate roleplay concerns that you would need to address before you had a chance of getting this idea as a faction. You may also want to flesh out the faction proposal itself, as its somewhat lacking in detail. I don't want to discourage you or put you off from attempting to create such a faction, but merely to consider the roleplay aspects of the idea you are putting forward.
Well, the experience thing is the easiest to answer, in rp most of the members are not flying any craft at all yet. Usagi became leader because what is already written in the 'founding' part, what is being lucky to survive long enought to learn a few basic things about living in the "safer" border worlds, she's intending to pass what she learnt to the others including Joshua. The tech is why this faction is supposed to start pretty much slowly, as getting new equipment and even one ship or two require quite some backing and even more time and precaution, just because Usagi stole her ship it does not mean the Straggler's Brigade steals ships in general. She piled up some money for 1-2 smaller vessels which can be used to slowly (and of course with risk) to earn some profit for investment into better technology. The Brigade will not just start piracy right away, they need some stability including finding some supporters and contacts. That is also one of the things you asked about, at the moment in rp there are only about 5-6 of them meaning they are right at the beginnings, it is now when they first try to form their little 'gang' and keep it together, which might not be successful and it is the challenge of it. And that now explaines why there isn't "sufficient" information about the faction, because informations usually don't refer to details which are non-existent. And so about support and investment, we do not want to pre-do such things with npcs, we rather want to make these in rp with actually players so basicly anyone who wants can take part more or less. I know safety is a luxury on the border worlds, but I also find the idea of absolutely nobody deals with teenagers in a universe where space travel is part of everyday life a bit extreme. It is true that none would take them much seriously, but I am convinced there are other ways to exploit children than just enslaving them. After all the best slave material are work capable men and women, or if there is a need for future new recruits, the best bets are not teenaged children but ones younger than 10 as even the early adolescents are way harder to manipulate the hard way, as they keep grudges easily. Most of people will not do bussiness but some of them would, and it is our challenge to find out who and where they are
The rep is not really about lack of trust, it is more like a not-just-in-rp manifestation of our will to avoid contact if possible. But even the trust part makes sense, so I can elaborate it for you. Do you remember when Toledo was intact and it wasn't really uncommon for swarms of characters even in tagged ships preferring to slip through Alaska rather than to circle around via a few star clusters? Well, as a former admin and a senior member of this community, you understand what I mean as you seen it happen a lot. By example: sometimes even experienced smugglers do shortcuts and the minority just keeps wondering why the majority are still using tradelanes and jumpgates even with the tracking system now existent not just in rp
This faction is all about infernal risks and challenges for even achieving the slightest resemblance to getting some sort of foothold
The criticism is accepted and I think I covered up most of what you said, if there is something important I forgot just let me know. Thanks for the help
And this for everyone: if you find further problems and also have ideas as solutions, please share those thing too with us. It would save us some trouble
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