Requesting clarification

[n00bl3t]

Funding of Guild Core comes from regular BHG, as Guild Core is elite of BHG.

Ships of the Order aren't meant to act in a defensive measure - that's rather pilots who're.
Ships of the Order aren't that heavy and defended as they should be according to you.

Point being made is BHG|'s bounties cannot sustain the amount of "stuff" the Core has been doing.

Our RP states we act a defense for humanity. How does shooting another human faction achieve this, if the faction is not infected and the shooting of them does not affect the overall good? (The answer is, we should not shoot that faction.)

Do not understand what relation what I said has to do with Order ship's being heavy and defended, but if you want a log, go try the Sekhmet or the Geb and enjoy your day.

I love your phrasing...
That proves my point - again. Previously you were NOT neutral to the Order, and we were completely justified in doing whatever we want.

Oh, and we have (or had, anyway) the Harvesters bountied, because they like to eat us. And yes, I was a member of the Harvesters, and did those negotiations with the Zoners for Gammu. What you find amusing is simply my ability to actual role-play as completely different personalities when I switch characters - which is, after all, what we're supposed to do, isn't it?

Previously there was the Zoner Alliance, and all three factions shared the same diplomacy. (Yet [TAZ] escaped the harm, and do not bother going into your [TAZ]-isn't-in-my-way speech.)

Nice try. You cannot ask Zoners to respond for Gammu and then not respond for Gammu as you have control of that, so you can justify the pew-pew of Zoners. Quite sure that comes under some form of power-gaming, but eh. (As opposed to meta-gaming "OLOLOLOLOL".)

So, all in all, you phrase as you do to avoid things as well.

That, and your funding source is drying up.

While Athenian were faction leader

Things were definitely different, I will give you that.

Edit: Hideki stalking unlocked.

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[Elven]

Point being made is BHG|'s bounties cannot sustain the amount of "stuff" the Core has been doing.

Our RP states we act a defense for humanity. How does shooting another human faction achieve this, if the faction is not infected and the shooting of them does not affect the overall good? (The answer is, we should not shoot that faction.)

Do not understand what relation what I said has to do with Order ship's being heavy and defended, but if you want a log, go try the Sekhmet or the Geb and enjoy your day.
Previously there was the Zoner Alliance, and all three factions shared the same diplomacy. (Yet [TAZ] escaped the harm, and do not bother going into your [TAZ]-isn't-in-my-way speech.)

Nice try. You cannot ask Zoners to respond for Gammu and then not respond for Gammu as you have control of that, so you can justify the pew-pew of Zoners. Quite sure that comes under some form of power-gaming, but eh. (As opposed to meta-gaming "OLOLOLOLOL".)

So, all in all, you phrase as you do to avoid things as well.

That, and your funding source is drying up.
Things were definitely different, I will give you that.

Edit: Hideki stalking unlocked.

If you're defending humans and operate in stealthy style, you're supposed to have fast and heavy-hitting ships, Bastet and Neph are nice examples, as well as Osiris and Reseph.

Geb's role is carrier, it's not supposed to fight. And Sekhmet is support ship, which's not supposed to fight alone, therefore it's easily heatable.

Also, I'd be glad if both sides would drop down RP'ing for planets of Omicron Kappa, they're supposed to be neutral to everyone, including nomads, as they're populated either by machines, or by radiation-influenced, ill humans, who mutated into monkeys (nice support for Darwin's theory, Microsoft!). Everyone'd be able to land there, however basing off those planets isn't good idea IRP, especially for humans, as you'll start mutating as well...

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[Agmen of Eladesor]

Nice try. You cannot ask Zoners to respond for Gammu and then not respond for Gammu as you have control of that, so you can justify the pew-pew of Zoners. Quite sure that comes under some form of power-gaming, but eh. (As opposed to meta-gaming "OLOLOLOLOL".)

I believe that you are the one who initially responded for Gammu, so thus YOU are taking responsibility for things there - not me. And I'm not in the Harvesters anymore, and haven't been for a long time, so while that's a nice thought, it won't fly. Gammu isn't the problem or issue anyway, since it's effectively unihabitable for humans - nice way of trying to distract things, but I'm not falling for it.

Primus is the problem - because that's what's been used as a staging base.

You have, by the way, noticed that we've said we're not shooting at you in Delta or Theta, haven't you? And if you don't post silly stuff, we won't shoot at you in 74, either. Right now the only system we should be shooting you in is Kappa. Have the apes kick everyone off and we're happy, and we can go back to being your bestest buds and friends, right?

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Oh god... The end of days... Agmen agreed with me.

[ArmsAndLegs Guy]

Things were definitely different, I will give you that.

Nice try, major fail. When Athenian was faction leader, Agmen was second in command. And back then Athenian also never made a faction related decision without having discussed it with the other guildmasters, so your point doesn't have any merit.
I now understand why he allways said to me : "If n00blet says something, do the opposite. It will be the right thing."

A & L Guy

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[n00bl3t]

I believe that you are the one who initially responded for Gammu, so thus YOU are taking responsibility for things there - not me. And I'm not in the Harvesters anymore, and haven't been for a long time, so while that's a nice thought, it won't fly. Gammu isn't the problem or issue anyway, since it's effectively unihabitable for humans - nice way of trying to distract things, but I'm not falling for it.

Primus is the problem - because that's what's been used as a staging base.

You have, by the way, noticed that we've said we're not shooting at you in Delta or Theta, haven't you? And if you don't post silly stuff, we won't shoot at you in 74, either. Right now the only system we should be shooting you in is Kappa. Have the apes kick everyone off and we're happy, and we can go back to being your bestest buds and friends, right?

I have, since it seemed like no-one else was going to. SMA did respond though, so they might take over it. Eh.

Gammu and Primus are both not inhabitable for long periods of time by humans. They can land their ships there shortly.

Not in Delta, but I never saw you shoot anyone in Theta anyway. Silly stuff as in responding to your warmongering?

I do not run the apes. You should know that.

Nice try, major fail. When Athenian was faction leader, Agmen was second in command. And back then Athenian also never made a faction related decision without having discussed it with the other guildmasters, so your point doesn't have any merit.
I now understand why he allways said to me : "If n00blet says something, do the opposite. It will be the right thing."

A & L Guy

Nice try, major fail.

Definitely different means defined differences. It does not allude to a vast difference, or anything else you suggest.

As for the rest of your post, what a riveting tale, chap.

If you're defending humans and operate in stealthy style, you're supposed to have fast and heavy-hitting ships, Bastet and Neph are nice examples, as well as Osiris and Reseph.

Geb's role is carrier, it's not supposed to fight. And Sekhmet is support ship, which's not supposed to fight alone, therefore it's easily heatable.

And?

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[Zelot]

Instead of talking about how hard it is to claim bounties (while many people do it all the time) how about responding to my comments about splitting the Core from the BHG, aside from Dashell saying how it's not happening, and how there is more intrest in the Core rp than the BHG, which in my mind is all the more reason for seperating the factions.

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[Dashiell]

Instead of talking about how hard it is to claim bounties (while many people do it all the time) how about responding to my comments about splitting the Core from the BHG, aside from Dashell saying how it's not happening, and how there is more intrest in the Core rp than the BHG, which in my mind is all the more reason for seperating the factions.

I kinda lost how this discussion went to Gebs and Gammu:P

This is why I no longer bother with partaking in discussionson the forums on an active basis. Its pointless to to talk to a brick wall or try to steer a car with no steeringwheel.

Zelot here however tries to bring things back on track so I'll reply.

about the bounties: people do it all the time, because some bounties are actually worth it. not many, but especially merc ones are nice money. but not everyone likes to play forumlancer.

Plus, Ive found from personal experience, not a lot of bounty placers bother to actually pay up. or they simply forget they ever put a bounty up.

about the splitting.

why?

None of the 'problems' here will go away if the faction splits. I`ll tell you what happens. the BHG| will die out.
A lot of our players have BHG| and Core ships. when the factions split, Im pretty sure they'll just drop the BHG ships.

back in the S/D days, all the S/D did was hunt bounties. and, I`m sorry to say, we were quite often without a purpose in life. now BHG players have an alternative.

Splitting isn't the solution. nor do we want it.

the solution is less forumlancer, more actual lucrative hunting.

so rather than saying `split the faction cuz core sucks and is killing the BHG` maybe its wiser to find out just WHY no one wants to be a bhg?

riddle me this: if the core vanishes today, do you think players will go 'golly, well, I'll just make a bhg then'

they wont. because the essence of being a hunter isn't appealing to a lot of players due to some reasons explained earlier.

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[Stoat]

Instead of talking about how hard it is to claim bounties (while many people do it all the time) how about responding to my comments about splitting the Core from the BHG, aside from Dashell saying how it's not happening, and how there is more intrest in the Core rp than the BHG, which in my mind is all the more reason for seperating the factions.

From my point of view, if that's something that happens through the RP situation in-game, then it's all fine and dandy.

From the point of view of a player, I have seen no adverse effect on the regular BHG as a direct result of the Core's RP, or the Core in general. The problems I have seen are down to the bounty system, which has been raised as an issue since Athenian first started getting the BHG up and running, and I think the S/D as well, though I wasn't part of the S/D so I could easily be incorrect about that.

Personally, I understand the bounties in Bretonia pretty much inside out, having been a hunter there for 3 years now. That means I can log on, have a bit of pew, or RP, or both, and be off again within half an hour. this works for me.

If I was a new player, I'd avoid joining the BHG. Not because of the RP (or lack of it), not because of the players, not because of all the arguments that cascade across the forums, but simply because I wouldn't have the time to learn all the details of who I could and couldn't shoot.

THAT is what I believe the issue to be, with regard to the apparent lack of house BHG. I don't think that separating the BHG and BHG|Core would do anything to alleviate that. The BHG is, inescapably, a PvP faction. PvP in the Core is easy, therefore people will go there in preference to the houses. My worry is that separating the factions will kill the BHG.


Edit: Damn, Dash is a faster typer than me??!? :(

Edit2: Every kill I make on my hunter is posted, either on a bounty thread, or in the BHG message dump. While I am one of the many people who DO post to claim bounties, I fully understand why lots of people have issues with the way things currently are.

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[Agmen of Eladesor]

Instead of talking about how hard it is to claim bounties (while many people do it all the time) how about responding to my comments about splitting the Core from the BHG, aside from Dashell saying how it's not happening, and how there is more intrest in the Core rp than the BHG, which in my mind is all the more reason for seperating the factions.

But those go hand in hand.

Right NOW there is more interest in Core RP than in house RP BECAUSE it's so hard to claim bounties. And remember, we're the ones that play this faction and do it ALL the time. Dash, Stoat, and even A&L and I - we've all been hunters since there was a hunting faction. Prowler PC and Bobafett still have their ships, too. We'd LOVE to get back into bringing our hunting squadrons into house space - and now that we can do that, we might.

You know as well as I do that things go in cycles around here, especially when PvP is concerned. We've been called the PvP whore faction of the server before, just as Order, Corsair, =CR=, and Outcasts all have - it's sort of a rotating title. How about we just work our way through this, like always, instead of such a draconian method?

(Also don't forget that the factions WERE separate before they merged. The reason we merged was because ... it was getting hard for the house hunters to work in house space, and we wanted some of the action that the |Core was getting... The more things change, the more they stay the same, eh?)

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Oh god... The end of days... Agmen agreed with me.

[Elven]

And?

And your statement about Order ships was wrong.

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