Who are the good guys?

[Luka]

Yes that's true. An example is that OC think they are saving the poor slaves by taking them in and working them in their plantations, but ignoring the fact that they don't allow them to leave whenever they want to, or pay them for their work. They also create demand for slave market so more people are enslaved just because the OC will buy their slaves.

There is enough views on this topic, and everyone will tell you something different probably. Even though there is no doubt slavery is bad as it is, but it wouldn't be that bad in some cases, even be 'better off' than other things like, hunger or death.

Not true.
possibly, but that's more a case of Blue and Orange Morality, cuz anybody else would just get the slaves free and help them so they can hold by themselves instead of just getting them into Slavery. It's not that hard mayne.

[sprundermuff]

There is no such thing as

GOOD vs [color=#FF0000]EVIL

in real life.

He is right.

There is only

MORAL vs IMMORAL

Both of these things can be good or evil.

Look at any president and tell me this: is it good, evil, moral, or immoral what you see their actions to be?

They choose who lives and dies, this is immoral.
They save billions of lives, this is moral.
They kill thousands and thousands of others, including their own troops sent to war. This is neither good, nor evil, it is just how the world works.

What is good?
What is evil?

AND, who gave YOU the right to decide what is good or evil?

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[UoA]-Neve.Brovskii

Nolan Stross ... He came.

[Sol]

Not true.
possibly, but that's more a case of Blue and Orange Morality, cuz anybody else would just get the slaves free and help them so they can hold by themselves instead of just getting them into Slavery. It's not that hard mayne.

It's also a trade for them, OC need slaves to survive, and they allow the worthy ones to join in their community.

But what you say is true Luka, I keep telling this to them OC, "you don't deserve to survive, using the misery of others, free your slaves and die already." but I am leaning towards your view so, an OC would probably find a counter argument on this with proper thinking and time.

[Luka]

They choose who lives and dies, this is immoral.
They save billions of lives, this is moral.
They kill thousands and thousands of others, including their own troops sent to war. This is neither good, nor evil, it is just how the world works.

They choose who lives and dies, when they have no other choice, that's just gray, but you can change shades depending what you do.
Save millions, that's something commoly seen as "Good"
Kill thousands..... that's "Obviously Evil"
Kill even more? now you're just an Omnicidal Maniac that needs stopping.
The world works that way but you're just randomly making it subjective cuz you need to know all the factors

AND, who gave YOU the right to decide what is good or evil?

who the heck told you that you could decide there's isn't?:blink:
I actually find it in RP a LOT easier than you guys are putting it down, I just prefer it a LOT more than Law vs chaos

[sprundermuff]

This reminds me, today, I over saw someone about to get shot up near a tradelane.

The trader actually said, "DIE EVIL PIRATE!"

This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard in my entire life.

If I gave the benefit of the doubt that there is such a thing as good and evil, this is a perfect situation to show who is evil and who is not.

First and only remark:

IF YOU HATE OR WANT TO KILL SOMEONE WHETHER THEY ARE "EVIL" TO YOU OR NOT, YOU HAVE THUS PROVEN YOU ARE EVIL, because killing and hate is SURELY evil.

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[UoA]-Neve.Brovskii

Nolan Stross ... He came.

[Luka]

It's also a trade for them, OC need slaves to survive, and they allow the worthy ones to join in their community.

:sleep:
Well that part would've seen as giving them a lighter shade of gray.

[kikatsu]

So what makes you think Rheinland is evil when Liberty is actively invading them while damaging their economy with invasive business?

Rheinland is fighting a purely defensive war.

[Sol]

<strike>IF YOU HATE OR WANT TO KILL SOMEONE WHETHER THEY ARE "EVIL" TO YOU OR NOT, YOU HAVE THUS PROVEN YOU ARE EVIL, because killing and hate is SURELY evil.

</strike>No sir, it's those who are against me are evil. Please make no mistake there.<strike>
</strike>

[Luka]

This reminds me, today, I over saw someone about to get shot up near a tradelane.

The trader actually said, "DIE EVIL PIRATE!"

This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard in my entire life.

If I gave the benefit of the doubt that there is such a thing as good and evil, this is a perfect situation to show who is evil and who is not.

First and only remark:

IF YOU HATE OR WANT TO KILL SOMEONE WHETHER THEY ARE "EVIL" TO YOU OR NOT, YOU HAVE THUS PROVEN YOU ARE EVIL, because killing and hate is SURELY evil.

That's now just funny the way you put it:lol:

I call it grey vs gray morality, or some sort of Blue and Orange one, but more grey and gray than anything else.

There's also self-defence, when you got no other choice, like a pirate that goes "2millordai" you pay then he shots you, what else you do? now it turns into grey vs black there.

[sprundermuff]

<strike>IF YOU HATE OR WANT TO KILL SOMEONE WHETHER THEY ARE "EVIL" TO YOU OR NOT, YOU HAVE THUS PROVEN YOU ARE EVIL, because killing and hate is SURELY evil.

</strike>No sir, it's those who are against me are evil. Please make no mistake there.<strike>
</strike>

Ya know what?
I agree.

ALL FOR PRESIDENT MITHRAS!

*bows*

And now to assassinate you! ;D

But only for the greater good of the people, so I'm not evil for killing you. (Or so says Luka.)

Then I will conquer everyone and everything and kill anyone that defies me.
But only to protect my people from them, so I'm obviously a good person trying to protect my people. ;P

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[UoA]-Neve.Brovskii

Nolan Stross ... He came.