Should official factions represent the whole NPC faction?

[hypermauler]

Should official represent the whole Npc faction?
-Yes if they could' if the faction leadership and members are the almost if not the entire active players base in it.

-No if its one or many of the listed case ( my opinion)
A: A faction that is crowded with indy, Not necesseraly bad players but see this argusment as new players are new players. (Ex. corsair .outcast, liberty core and others...)
B: A faction that is freelancer/mercenary... ( All non official affiliation) because they are for the most part nor unioned nor organised by a hierachy.
C:Faction that are by nature used by players as utilities. Any ''mining faction'', several ''trading faction''
D:Faction with A zone of influence too wide, making even the best official factions unable to maintain its authority everywhere efficiently. ( Ex. Zoners, IMG, Junker, ...)

So Should officials represent whole Npc faction?
Because most players of this community will enter faction(s) that qualify in the ''No'' cases The answer generally speaking is No.

However, a official faction, or any great unoficial group can works very well doing their role, thus representing the faction. But because their faction they try to represent is often incarnated by a few and that the majority of it belong to what we call indy ( scaling from the best players to the one ending in a sanction notice) is often a wish official faction should give up.

In most case faction should work on their own role play and interaction both in-forum and in-game. Trying to dictate such a huge ammount of players is what i call playing faction/restriction lancer and is not making the game more fun for anyone thus going against the goal of a video game.

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[Ayem]

Good example.

Mollys.
In the case of the Molly Official Faction signing a treaty with the Bretonians.

Killed a whole faction. Even the indies haven't been as cool since then.
Worst.

Idea.

Ever.

That hurts :[

Also, there are a lot of Mollies at the moment. Not killed.

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[Zelot]

Should official factions represent the whole NPC faction?

Nope.

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[Dennis Jameson]

Yes it does.

For example, the Das Wilde represent all of the Das Wilde NPC faction, as they are quite literally, all of the Das Wilde, no indies.
The NLH however, are the part of the "True" Gaians, not the vicious pirates and thugs. Perhaps they shouldn't represent them all as they're only a small part of it.
The [LN] on the other hand, are the Primary Fleet, the main fighting force of the Liberty Navy, the indies are merely reserve, defence or secondary fleet pilots and ships.
Sometimes it works, sometimes not.

More special faction elitism. Fun times.

My answer is yes, the official faction should be the NPC faction because the indies needs structure in order to not go on a pvp-fueled rampage.

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10/6

[Zelot]

More special faction elitism. Fun times.

My answer is yes, the official faction should be the NPC faction because the indies needs structure in order to not go on a pvp-fueled rampage.

So how does that explain the official factions that go on pvp-fueled rampages?

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[Daedric]

No they shouldn't.

I find it extremely wierd to hear terms like primary and secondary fleets. Like an interstellar nation would have only one active fleet and a million defense or reserve fleets.

No, they likely have a multitude of fleets, strike groups, etc etc.

I'll use Liberty as an example, I'd like to see Task Force 7 and the Texas Armada as branches of the [LN] faction. I can hear it now, "If you want to lead join the [LN] and rise through the ranks." Yea I know, guess what? Not everyone likes how the [LN] is set up or how it operates. They want to role play their little Navy dude their way, not the [LN]'s way.

That doesn't mean I think they should be able to setup shop today and get all the perks tomorrow. They should be able to petition for official status and if granted they are required to work with (not for) the [LN]. That means neither [LN] nor the new faction could use any faction rights without first agreeing to their usage.

This can be applied to all the police/military factions. As well as many other factions.

You'll notice the Corsairs do it already themselves.

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[ProwlerPC]

As I've mentioned in the past, I don't care much for the Faction Rights even though I'm a founder and leader of one. I'll always run GMG| as representative of the NPC RP as much as I possibly can and will continue to write my ideas into RP hooks. Whether the dev team implements them or not is up to them and Igiss, not me and some list of faction rights. Now fortunately I've been approached before each mod by devs about my ideas and I've willingly gave them my ideas. I, like the rest of the membership, have to wait till the release to see how it will be. In the end I will absorb whichever cannon RP was released and implement it into my faction whether the idea originated from me or not. This is how it has gone on before the Faction Rights and in the end seems to be how it goes whether we got the faction rights or not. I am fine with this, even pleased with it because to be quite frank; it's taking the devs a long enough time to handle the massive workload and having a bunch of us factions screaming "FR this" and "FR that" only delays the process even more.

But I'll repeat this again so it is clear: I will always run GMG| as representative of the NPC RP as much as possible. It's the way this faction was always run long before any idea of faction rights existed.

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[Dennis Jameson]

So how does that explain the official factions that go on pvp-fueled rampages?

Fortunately, those factions tend to be the aforementioned special factions.

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[Zelot]

Fortunately, those factions tend to be the aforementioned special factions.

* Zelot laughs.

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[Marburg]

No. Now anyway, let me ask you something in regards to this:

My main problem with official factions is their tendency to represent the views of the whole NPC faction. This includes house militaries, police and so on. One of the best examples I have was the BAF and Mollies and dublin. Or the KNF working along side NLH when raiding Bretonia. These things are non cannon, they are not pre-set by the npc factions. As such the official faction rule states that a faction member may not force an independent in performing non cannon activities.

I'm confused...What's your point? It sounds like your saying that people shouldn't deviate from cannon. That's just silly.

How, for example is a person expected to maintain long-term interest in those factions that have no real background? In the case of the Gaians, yep. The current relations with Kusari was created in game & perfectly logical...the problem is, most of the people who complain about the relations do so while being mostly ignorant of the faction.

This is a mod that takes place in a time past vanilla & obsession with cannon hurts progress

As the times change, so does the civilization. Look at it this way, I watched Sesame Street when I was a kid...does that mean that I should continue to watch it today? Am I not allowed to change my tastes as time goes on & watch other programming?

Disco is not vanilla & if it was, it would never have survived this long.

::edit- actually, I was reading too fast. I read KNF & while I was typing, my head replaced 'KNF' with 'Kusari'...my bad. The KNF imho shouldn't be giving Gaians any obvious support as they are not allied to one another. obvious support from the FA & the Hogs is perfectly kosher though::

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