Zealot Wrote:Just go play the game and have fun dammit.
Treewyrm Wrote:all in all the conclusion is that disco doesn't need antagonist factions, it doesn't need phantoms, it doesn't need nomads, it doesn't need coalition and it doesn't need many other things, no AIs, the game is hijacked by morons to confuse the game with their dickwaving generic competition games mixed up with troll-of-the-day.
Our sun can't supernova naturally, fair enough. But this is The Nomads, they used a weapon of mass destruction, and plunged it into the sun.
Put a big bang into a huge ball of energy, I assume the Nomads weapon caused all the sun's fuel (was it hydrogen?) to be used up and add mass into the core somehow. That's my assumption after watching a show weeks ago about our galaxy.
' Wrote:I don't know, I think the extended intro has more to do with the events of the campaign than the short intro does. I mean, the short intro talks about this war that took place 800 years ago and sets the stage for why we're in the Sirius sector, but it ends with that "but we will never forget" line that always confused me, given that it certainly seemed like everyone in Sirius has forgotten about the Coalition/Alliance war.
At least with the extended intro, it introduces the bad guys who show up in the campaign, although their reason for being at Earth (given that they were supposed to be a "trap" in the Sirius sector, I thought) isn't really given.
Thing is though, in the extended intro Atticus Rockford escapes Sol alive and somehow gets himself his own personal sleeper ship after the entire solar system has been wiped out, and flies to Sirius to warn the colonists of the impending danger of an alien race last sighted 500 light years away from the Sirius sector.
The human race kinda remembers things like their entire system of origin being completely wiped from existance... so how is it no one in Sirius knows of the existance of Nomads until they were uncovered some 700 odd years after settlement?
I just doesn't make sense. The extended intro creates plot holes. No one saw the Nomads coming, none of the governments had any sort of precautions, knowledge or contingency plans regarding a sudden Nomad invasion.
Atticus also says "we will never forget" in the extended intro, as well. But he refers to the Nomads destroying Sol. Then we go and get blind sided by the Nomads.
See the plot hole? Any one?
If you answered no, then congratulations you probably deserve a place on the plot development team for discovery. Go forth and develop many nonsensical plot lines.
' Wrote:Thing is though, in the extended intro Atticus Rockford escapes Sol alive and somehow gets himself his own personal sleeper ship after the entire solar system has been wiped out, and flies to Sirius to warn the colonists of the impending danger of an alien race last sighted 500 light years away from the Sirius sector.
The human race kinda remembers things like their entire system of origin being completely wiped from existance... so how is it no one in Sirius knows of the existance of Nomads until they were uncovered some 700 odd years after settlement?
I just doesn't make sense. The extended intro creates plot holes. No one saw the Nomads coming, none of the governments had any sort of precautions, knowledge or contingency plans regarding a sudden Nomad invasion.
Atticus also says "we will never forget" in the extended intro, as well. But he refers to the Nomads destroying Sol. Then we go and get blind sided by the Nomads.
See the plot hole? Any one?
If you answered no, then congratulations you probably deserve a place on the plot development team for discovery. Go forth and develop many nonsensical plot lines.
If I understand it right, you're not sure why people of Sirius wasn't informed about Nomads even when Atticus Rockford saw them and came to Liberty? It's all simple. Probably, he was simply "muted" by government or closed into asylum as a madman. Simple.
If I understand it right, you're not sure why people of Sirius wasn't informed about Nomads even when Atticus Rockford saw them and came to Liberty? It's all simple. Probably, he was simply "muted" by government or closed into asylum as a madman. Simple.
Yet there's no indication that any of the governments knew what the hell was going. You can't just patch up a major plot hole by saying what might have or probably happened, you need to support it with lore or canon events in-game. Of which, to my knowledge, there are none. Not even any that have been loosely fabricated in Discovery lore. Pretty much the only thing that supports the extended intro being canon is that Igiss said it was. What in-game actually supports this being the case?
Assume for the sake of things that Liberty / New York / Manhattan is 700 light years away from Sol.
Sleeper ships leave Sol system this year. How long were they in transit? I don't recall and I didn't see that when I rewatched the intro. But anyway... for purposes of argument, lets say that 5 years (subjective) pass on the ships while they travel, while 50 years (objective) pass in the galaxy. And the Nomads show up to blast Sol 1 year after the sleeper ships leave.
So, the light from Sol going boom would have reached Manhattan 699 years after the sleeper ships left, or 649 years after they arrived there. Or in other words, from game perspective, about 170 years or so ago.
The question actually is - would the regular, average citizen actually care what that funny light was in the sky? And since it wouldn't actually be a supernova, just a big explosion, would it be more than just a quick blink?
(11-21-2013, 12:53 PM)Jihadjoe Wrote: Oh god... The end of days... Agmen agreed with me.
' Wrote:Sleeper ships leave Sol system this year. How long were they in transit? I don't recall and I didn't see that when I rewatched the intro. But anyway... for purposes of argument, lets say that 5 years (subjective) pass on the ships while they travel, while 50 years (objective) pass in the galaxy.
I doubt they would have built sleeper ships if it were just a 5 year trip. Also I suck at physics, but the relativity implications make it safe to say that hundreds, perhaps thousands of years have passed to the observers (i.e Earth) since the colonists left.
' Wrote:I doubt they would have built sleeper ships if it were just a 5 year trip. Also I suck at physics, but the relativity implications make it safe to say that hundreds, perhaps thousands of years have passed to the observers (i.e Earth) since the colonists left.
You're not going out to explore - you're building big lifeboats. That's the point you missed. You physically can't carrry enough supplies to keep that number of people awake, breathing, and fed for 5 full years. So you cram as many people into as small of a space as you can, shove as much bulk supplies in as you can, stick a skin around it and call it a ship.
And the effects of time dilation may or may not actually matter. It appears that our ships weren't using conventional drives. They either had some kind of FTL drive, or they were using warp gates or something else. If they were limited to strictly lightspeed, then at best it would take 700 years to travel 700 light years. Since we have in Sirius jump holes and jump gates and a working FTL communication device,
I guessing that they started with something that required a huge amount of energy (say, the kind you'd get with a power plant in a ship that you couldn't build unless you were really hurting, because it uses too much unobtanium otherwise) and probably managed to get up to warp 4. Since warp 4 is 16xC, that puts it at 43.75 years to go 700ly. Call it an even 50 years by the time you get up to speed and get back down - with subjective time still around 5 years.
(11-21-2013, 12:53 PM)Jihadjoe Wrote: Oh god... The end of days... Agmen agreed with me.
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