' Wrote:Well, let's put it simple. You smuggle so expect your routes to be watched after a couple of runs. And when you are known to be smuggling expect to be hunted as well. Contraband is a risky business, smuggling isn't safe as trading. And when you know that your routes are watched closely - change them and find other means to enter, suffice to say NY have plenty of those.
gothic lord, when i was informed that in liberty are some ships waiting for me, i was in OMICRON DELTA. So really good informator you have then.and we was not 3 ships when but only two.the third ship was in gamma and not with froup with us. He join us later.
and what escort need trader again battlecruiser, gunboat, and fighter? and 3 ships was there only because no more pilots was online in the time. I think if there was 10 people online then near jg wait on me 6 of them. So what is average escort?
and ok say me another good route for artifacts.
stoat, how you know if is any lsf around,when you are in alaska and they wait on you 200m near of the other side of jumpgate? you jump and they have you,no chance to fly under radar.
dab when you say somethign about NPC,how many zoner NPCs you see in liberty? i think 0 and i see players zoner tagged and ID as zoner in liberty.when we all come only to systems where our npc come,then will be this game not discovery,but stay in 4 systems mod.
That and/or play smart. I have a smuggler, CardiGoods, had lots of runs into New Berlin, and I must say I have enjoyed them all, roleplayed with RM and even pulled a little joke on them, pretty sure DBoy remembers what he has found in his cargo hold, and we all had a good time. Heck, I event went to NB at times when it was swarming with RM characters just for some adrenaline.
But here I see people just whining, putting up excuses to bring more combat vessels, I'm sorry to me it all sounds pathetic. Good god, these attempts to leverage are getting so old.
ok everyone has had there say on this matter lets forget it and just play the damn game cause all this whining and fighting isnt going to make any difference so lets all just play the game and be happy!!!!!!
' Wrote:That and/or play smart. I have a smuggler, CardiGoods, had lots of runs into New Berlin, and I must say I have enjoyed them all, roleplayed with RM and even pulled a little joke on them, pretty sure DBoy remembers what he has found in his cargo hold, and we all had a good time. Heck, I event went to NB at times when it was swarming with RM characters just for some adrenaline.
But here I see people just whining, putting up excuses to bring more combat vessels, I'm sorry to me it all sounds pathetic. Good god, these attempts to leverage are getting so old.
I understand your argument tree, and I wish it was that way, but I'm sure RM wasnt sitting there waiting for you at the JG with 3-6 ships (some caps) I love the run and chase of smuggling, it's why it's fun, but the tactics LSF are using make it not fun, theres no compitition in it. Yes I could sit at a JG all day blowing up every ship that comes through with 5 of my buddies, but I dont understand what fun that is. I also find it no fun to come out of a JG to be shot down in 3 seconds by six ships. I'm not saying dont try to stop us, thats the fun, but these tactics are over the line.
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I remember all the LSF complaining soooo much about the Alaska/Conn JH, I remember how people said it was impossable to stop smugglers when they have 2 diffrent routes they could take. SO what happens, the other route is taken out, and now LSF is making it impossable to get any Artifacts to NY. Mabye next version the Alaska/Conn JH should be put back now that PVP is on in NY.
I'm having a hard time decyphering what global is saying.
Global, you're a known smuggler. I've caught you more than once. If LSF has spies in Delta (which I'm sure it does since there's a neutral faction there as FP11) then there's a good chance they'd get a quick tip that you're passing through. There's the Navy in minor so it's not too far of a stretch to say the LSF might have a mole.
Zone 21 is restricted to everyone but LSF and LNS. So, we'd have right to have it heavily guarded. Infact, I'd go so far as to say it'd make SENSE for it to be heavily guarded since the NOMADS(!!!!!) are IN Alaska. Top it off with a known smuggling route, and we ought to blast everyone that jumps in who isn't LNS or LSF just on principle because they might be INFESTED.
' Wrote:I understand your argument tree, and I wish it was that way, but I'm sure RM wasnt sitting there waiting for you at the JG with 3-6 ships (some caps) I love the run and chase of smuggling, it's why it's fun, but the tactics LSF are using make it not fun, theres no compitition in it. Yes I could sit at a JG all day blowing up every ship that comes through with 5 of my buddies, but I dont understand what fun that is. I also find it no fun to come out of a JG to be shot down in 3 seconds by six ships. I'm not saying dont try to stop us, thats the fun, but these tactics are over the line.
A couple of times there were blockades at Sigma-13 jumphole, never had problem with that to be honest. Sometimes I have been warned of those, sometimes I found those in my ship being destroyed. That is to be expected and I fully acknowledge what I'm going into. So why does this has to be a problem, eh? If you don't agree with what LSF is doing - don't do smuggling there. What is over the line and what is not I'm afraid is much debatable topic, I could finger to some players here in this topic and say "Hey! <insert rant>, that's over the line!", but I don't, I just deal with it, live with it, I don't look for an excuse to make my smuggling runs any easier. Zone 21 is a restricted area, so having guards at jumpgate is to be expected. If I'll do smuggling into NY I'll find some other routes to get in and avoid patrols, certainly I would not be going through that Z21 mouse trap, that's just asking to be killed.
alecRazec only 2 things.
when i was in delta,only i and my group member was there.but that is not important.
the second thing: when only to LSF and LNS what make there the USS ship? why he was not attacked ?
and alec,was not easy to make all npcs factions neutral,i have in red only 4 faction,so for me is not good idea delete this char and make new one.
and people,i start this topic not to start flame if there are npc or not,or if it was good idea wait exactly near jg or not, but only to inform liberty police and navy,that next time when i come,i come not alone and i explain them why i come not alone. Because i know that they was not happy when corsairs was in new york. But when i will trade for corsairs, there is no other choice as come protected. so dont flame pls.
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treewyrm.so you think that best idea is total cut artifact smuggling?trying to play as artifacts doesnt exist?
globalplayer-svk, you are missing my point entirely, do you? How many jumpgates are leading to NY? How many jumpholes are leading into NY? Pretty sure more than one located in Zone 21.