So, to clarify what I mean with conspiracy, and also in reference to the public celebration over my ban by some of the conspiracy members, which has been going on here, under the eyes of mods and admins, I would like add the following:
The conspiracy is not, as its members try to make people believe that its adversaries think it is, composed only of individuals who all joined the same day or all love each other or who want to destroy discovery intentionally.
It is made up of a diverse group of individuals, some of who are friends and talk to each other on skype, some who are/do neither. They have a silent agreement that when it comes to protecting a common interest, the rules will be selectively ignored or enforced, that fairness and honesty is for the weak and the stupid, and that every thing goes as long as it helps their interest.
The agenda varies, and sometimes different sub-groups of the conspiracy will even work against each other, depending on their current interest.
Their momentary goals may be to vilify a person who has been opposing them in one way or another, or to gain special rights, special status, special equipment combinations, to clear the turf, or simply promotion of a certain image of themselves.
Certain types of people and mindsets thrive in this, and the consequences to the sort of community discoveryGC has become because of it can be seen in almost every aspect of the forum and server.
Alvin Wrote:You are not the victim of a conspiracy, you simply went too far.
You were allowed to run, repeatedly, over the line of acceptable behaviour because your repeated trolling actions were directed at the Admin team. They took it, with a grumble, but they took it. What did you do? You turned it into a daily activity, getting further and further across the line.
The word "trolling" is used around here as something that will be given as a compliment to one person and will get a ban for another. Its 100% subjective and is used as a hitword to ban people simply for saying something or asking questions that certain people dont like to hear.
So let me get this straight. Going into a thread that says "JihadJoe did something for me that made me completely change my mind about it" to ask what the thing was is a trolling action? I suppose its off topic too?
Pointing out that I actually HAD asked him when he wrongfully said that I hadnt asked is a trolling action?
Then defending myself against the people who just popped in to launch random insults at me is also a trolling action by me, not by them?
Then pointing out that the moderator who invisibled their posts, and also my answer to them and to some posts which were still left visible, was actually protecting the people who had just popped in randomly to insult me?
That as also trolling? If I was wrong on that... well... were are the sanctions for them please?
Someone even invisibled 2 posts by Dustylens, one where he says something like "people who have disagreements with admins are cult followers" (dont remember the entire post but that was in it, I think it was repsonse to Arthur saying that he has had a contrary experience to Joe than the one described by the thread creator). And one which you can still see partially quoted by me, where he immediately jumps to attack me after I proved that Joe had said something that was very obviously not factually correct (dusty's exact words: "Way to persistently insist a thread accommodate your desperate agenda of attacking the administration. Invitation for PMs was provided and, seemingly, ignored, from both Joe and the OP on a topic which is none of your business to start with."
Leaving those visible would have shown that dusty and Spaace and eoJdahiJ were doing everything they could to provoke me.
The ONLY reason those posts were hidden was to make it look like I was starting something, which I was not.
I was factually correct while what Jihadjoe (saying I never asked him), Dusty (saying I did not accept Maxim's pm offer), eoJdahiJ (saying that the insult directed at me was not directed at me although he quoted me in hist post), and Spaace (saying that I stink) was not.
I was less insulting than all of them. I was calmer than all of them. I factually spoke about their and my actions, while they directly attacked my character.
So I guess asking a question that was 100% on topic and afterwards correcting wrong statements made by other people about me was taking it too far.
This whole thing is a farce.
Alvin Wrote:I have warned people repeatedly I do not have the patience of the others, because I know it is only a matter of time for your behviour to degrade further. This is not healthy for you, and it is not healthy to the rest of the community.
Yet my behavior has never "degraded" even close to the standards that Sina, Dusty, Zelot, Dab, and others have been "upholding" around here by constantly attacking people personally by making assumptions about their private lives when they say something that they dont like (quotes: "you are pathetic, you have nothing, you are a pimply teenager, get life, get laid").
You say "I know it is only a matter of time till your behavior degrades further".
Nice to know I am getting banned for something that you see happening in your head in the future.
Alvin Wrote:As for protecting Sina, Sina is my friend, as are a lot of people on here. I was also Sina's faction leader. The post quoted several times in this thread concerning my defense of him was actually made before I became a mod, quite a bit before. Hardly evidence of a conspiracy, if anything, it is evidence of a friendship, something that has become forgotten here.
When I was talking about someone protecting Sina with lies I was not talking about you, but about the following:
Sina was posting with his "Ghost.Reaver" account while he was banned from doing so.
While he did it he was defending why Reavers fly Sabres with Tizonas while they were shooting corsairs, which somebody else had complained about (not me, the first time I heard about that was actually in Sina's post).
I pointed out that Sina was not allowed to post at that time.
Dusty Lens lied and said that he was the one posting using Sina's Account.
I filed a report because I did not believe him.
Time passed, nothing happened. Ghost.Reaver kept posting.
After a few days he says "like Dusty Lens said before me". I point it out, and that it proves that its not Dusty talking as Ghost Reaver, and my post gets invisibled by a moderator. I file another report, saying that the moderators are covering Sina breaking his ban, that I dont mind if they dont ban their friend but at least tell him to stop posting till his ban is up.
Shortly afterwards, I get banned for 1 week, for "insulting and trolling Dusty Lens", because I correctly pointed out that he must have been lying when he said he was using Sina's Ghost Reaver account.
Sina's ban gets extended. Alvin says how unjust that is, Sina says how evil I am, Cannon says what an exemplary player Sina is. My ban is lifted 4 days late. Few months later Sina-the-exemplary gets permabanned.
That's what I meant when I said that. I know, it sounds like a farce. But unfortunately its all true.
I understand that Sina was your friend and the friend of many mods and admins.
But you would have helped both your friend and the community more if you had not encouraged his behavior by making him believe he was invulnerable because of who his friends are.
Alvin Wrote:I don't know how many times this can be stressed, the only conspiracy out there, are a group of harassed, over taxed people trying to manage a community, with a large percentage of Anti-Social behaviour running rampant.
People celebrated openly and publicly on the forum over my ban in a thread today, and no admin or mod did anything to stop it. What does that say about those people? How does that fit into your "we dont like people who want to have others sanctioned". I guess that doesnt apply to everyone.
You are speaking of harassment?
My defense against insults by people who you allow to run rampant with anti-social behavior is what you are calling harassment by me.
I guess you are even going to interpret me defending myself right here as me harassing you.
Where Daedric comes in, insults me, says that I'm slandering admins in a thread where I am merely suggesting a more clearer way of presenting the rule and not talking bad about anybody. Where I am getting to the root a misunderstanding that had caused 3 sanctions 2 trial by forums and probably a multitude of useless rule violation reports.
And then he says that he also saw skype logs of me slandering admins on skype ALTHOUGH I DONT EVEN USE SKYPE TO TALK TO PEOPLE HERE.
I point out that its either a deliberate lie or someone posing as me on skype, Dusty tells me to stop defending myself against a lie in my own thread and make a new thread, and then Zelot locks BOTH threads, keeping me from defending myself against an obvious lie.
A thread that was almost entirely invisibled, except for one post.
It was originally over 5 pages long.
Now why would all that have been invisibled?
Its just someone trying to help the admins who dont have unlimited time to improve the rules a bit with what could have been a community effort.
Well, its because some people went in there and started insulting and hassling me and calling me "Mr Ignorant" and during that Ophidian got so fed up with the community that he left, and the mods dont want people to see how certain people behaved there.
More of MY hassling, starting on day one, naturally.
Alvin Wrote:Would I give you time off for Trolling an Admin? yes.
Would I give you time off for Trolling any one? yes.
Would you give Spaace, eojdahiJ, Daedric, and Dusty time off for trolling me? No. Not when they troll me, not ever.
Alvin Wrote:Get your knickers out of a twist, and take a look at your behaviour, because the only way you are coming back from this ban is if you alter it, and start abiding by the community rules and standards of behaviour.
I have not broken any of the rules. The "Trolling" in your rules was added as a line to shoot down anyone who gets uncomfortable for the mods and admins. If I trolled at all, it was less than the people I mentioned above who are going unpunished.
The standards of the community that you seek to uphold were already described by me here:
Quote:... the standards Sina, Dusty, Zelot, Dab, and others have been "upholding" around here by constantly attacking people personally by making assumptions about their private lives when they say something that they dont like (quotes: "you are pathetic, you have nothing, you are a pimply teenager, get life, get laid").
What you are asking for me to do is to shut up and swallow when someone tells lies about me or other people, insults me or other people, hassles me or other people, breaks rules, while the main occupation of the moderation team seems to be to protect the people who do that from people who talk back at them.
What you are asking is that I acknowledge that I was the one trolling, when I was, just like I was so many times before that, the victim of and defending myself against trolling, as everyone would be able to see if you hadnt invisibled half of the thread.
You invisible posts of people who insulted me to protect them, repeatedly, since my day 1 on the forum.
Nothing ever happens to people who insult me and lie about me, ever.
Then when I point what you are doing, you call it hassling the administration.
It's not my fault the guy made a thread leaving out a central peace of information.
It's not my fault that Arthur posted that his experience was much different.
It's not my fault that Dusty said that critics are insane cultists and then attacked anyone who said anything else than "hail to the chief"
It's not my fault that Joe said that I never asked him, although it's plain for everyone to see that I did.
It's not my fault that Dusty said that I had ignored Maxim's pm offer, because I didnt ignore his offer.
Its' not my fault that Dusty said that I discarded the possibility that the guy didnt have time to answer, when actually Dusty was the one that discarded the possibility when he said that I probably ignored the offer and thats the reason I didnt get an answer.
It's not my fault that eojdahij decided to pop in and insult me.
It's not my fault that Sppaaace decided to pop in and insult me.
It's not my fault that Gheis invisibled the insults and my reply to them, also invisibling my reply to what 2 other people said, where I corrected them, including points which he said were good points but he invisibled them anyway.
All I did was ask what the thread was about, and then defend myself against attacks from several sides after that.
I have done nothing wrong.
Yet you have created these farcical moderator responses and tell me I can't come back if I dont change my attitude, leaving all the people who did the real insulting and misrepresenting unscathed, which everyone would be able to see if you hadnt invisibled the posts.
You are asking me to not ask reasonable questions and not to defend myself against people who say things that are wrong about me.
And yes, I can come to no other conclusion, observing your actions, that it's a conspiracy. That's also why you immediately call anyone who utters any criticism of certain people a conspiracy theorist.
In the words of Martin Luther:
Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.