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Tech-nerf
NixOlympica
01-01-2012, 01:34 PM,
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' Wrote:First an explanation how it works now:

Green guns:0.96^number of guns
Green ships: 0.9

White guns:0.89^number of guns
White ships: 0.75

Red guns:0.6^number of guns
Red ships: 0.6
Only change apart from numbers that is possible with the current plugin are to remove the multiplication by the number of guns.

This is much better for people that use a loadout of full white guns. But much worse for people who just have 1-2 green/white guns as "support".

Ideally the plugin should take into account the gun vs ship combination and then again this vs id and/or IFF.
Ex. Odin with Natters and Hessian IFF with merc ID would count as "green". While Odin with Tizonas and Hessian IFF will be "red". Now both of these are white. We'll see if we can change the plugin to do that.

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[color=#FF0000]Playability/Balance note on green stuff

Green equipment needs to have some sort of reduction. Not for RP reasons but for faction population and balance reasons.

Without any reduction the factions with more allies (big factions like OCs, Corsairs) are always the clean winners and get most players as they can have any tech from all their allies together with biggest ZOI. It is impossible to make the smaller factions more attractive if anything they get will also be usable by the bigger factions.

Ex. Right now Rogues have some very nice guns which are meant to make them fun to play with their own ships. If Outcasts can use the same guns without any penalty do you think there will be many Rogues in own ships with own guns in Liberty?
No there will be Outcast ships with rogue guns.

As history have shown relying on players to keep this under control is not a good idea.

No penalty on allied stuff kills small factions and limits weapon/ship diversity.


With some penalty in place things can be made more different and interesting, the current 4.86 Rogue/Molly stuff shows what's possible.

I still don't get your reasoning sorry, because from my own experience:

I have lead the faction of Hogosha and we had an open deal with Corsairs about Black Dragons x Imperators. There were 2 people using them from all three Corsair factions. From my own experience from indies and other factions I have met Black Dragon (on Corsair side that is) and fought it only once. And you would say that Corsairs would be one of the first to "abuse" Black Dragon because of how slow Titans are.

I don't even see Outcast using Rogue weapons because Krakens are one of the greatest weapons in this game, so I would rather expect Rogues using them than Outcasts using Krakens.

No if we discuss killing of small factions, look at Drakes and then look at speed of Kusari ships. Then look at Blood Dragons, look at their guns (which got even more buffed form what I've heard) and think how much fun fighting them will be.
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Tech-nerf - by Friday - 12-31-2011, 10:28 PM
Tech-nerf - by AndrzejB - 12-31-2011, 10:40 PM
Tech-nerf - by NixOlympica - 12-31-2011, 10:41 PM
Tech-nerf - by Hastings1066 - 12-31-2011, 10:47 PM
Tech-nerf - by Death.RunningVerminator - 12-31-2011, 10:48 PM
Tech-nerf - by dodike - 12-31-2011, 10:51 PM
Tech-nerf - by Camtheman - 12-31-2011, 10:51 PM
Tech-nerf - by Taneru - 12-31-2011, 10:52 PM
Tech-nerf - by blubba - 12-31-2011, 10:58 PM
Tech-nerf - by Veygaar - 12-31-2011, 10:58 PM
Tech-nerf - by varoshanin - 12-31-2011, 11:01 PM
Tech-nerf - by Pancakes - 12-31-2011, 11:03 PM
Tech-nerf - by McNeo - 12-31-2011, 11:13 PM
Tech-nerf - by Pancakes - 12-31-2011, 11:18 PM
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Tech-nerf - by Ursus - 01-01-2012, 05:27 AM
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Tech-nerf - by Jamez - 01-01-2012, 01:10 PM
Tech-nerf - by dodike - 01-01-2012, 01:32 PM
Tech-nerf - by NixOlympica - 01-01-2012, 01:34 PM
Tech-nerf - by mjolnir - 01-01-2012, 02:03 PM
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