Yes ...this is true.I concider myself a "indi", but try to put on my best RP face when i play,backing up Navy or LSF/LPI when called, in the defense of Liberty space.Its getting to the point where when I log in,I look to see who is where first, and then i might not even launch...I just exit the game.I'm sorry ,but as an Indie, I have been on here for a few months...some know me,some dont.In the beginning when i was new, I made the classic mistake(against Hoodlum, of all people) of re-engaging with a capship when he attacked my trader in tau-31 back in the bad old days.Long story short,he helped set me straight,and for that I am thankful.But I have seen many,many changes in the way people play on here in my short time.I have spent alot of time watching and listening......and i have to agree.Cap ships should be ALMOST out of reach of somebody that has just come on the server and has no idea of how things operate here,at least untill they can prove themselves.Especially if all they are looking for is PvP...thats what the other server is for...not here.We have enough of that with the occasional Rouge or Outcast or Lanehacker....but thats their RP aspect of it,and thats what makes it fun,or trying to catch the smuggler that you know is bringing in artifacts or cardimine.Its the classic cat and mouse game.Sometimes you win,sometimes the smuggler wins.Thats how the game is played.But i also understand the unique problem that New York has...we are the starting point for the game and that is its own set of problems.Sorry if i ramble on, but i dont post much in the forums.I like to think that if i do post something,its important,and maybe somebody will listen.Ok, will somebody kick the soapbox out from under me?