(06-10-2013, 12:06 PM)Thyrzul Wrote: When the base was set hostile, even then that so called "actively killing" was occasional. Who had enough brain, messaged TAZ or OC HQ about "wtf", if latter, OC HQ forwarded message, TAZ asked ship name, put them on list, problem solved.
Problem is, you only realize after you get podded. I suppose you'd want me to ignore that fact, but in my view such events actually do happen to my character, i.e. he did get whacked with no warning and no reason by TAZ, I choose not to ignore that, because to me that is what RP is about. In real life who would just go "oh well, next time I'd better ask if I can pass their doorstep" if your neighbours you thought as friends suddenly grabbed you and beat you up with no warning?
(06-10-2013, 12:06 PM)Thyrzul Wrote: Just because some failed to read the warning TAZ transmitted beforehand, and got shot at once (!), that hardly counts as "actively killing".
Killing is killing, whether or not it's once or twice, it's totally irrelevant. But I agree one could have kept peeled to the comms and base threads, but frankly I don't think that should be a requirement to play this game. In-game events > forum; but I acknowledge that that is a personal preference.
(06-10-2013, 12:06 PM)Thyrzul Wrote: And I didn't see OC-TAZ negotiations ending up in a war or OC complaining too much about how their economy got hit hard by this station.
That is correct, but I do think that on a roleplay server like this with relatively few slots and a commitment to play out a framework (i.e. Gallia is stronger than Bretonia & friends, although in-game activities suggest otherwise - that's the very same reason why Zoners can't wage war on the Omicrons, even though they might have the ships and players to do so), official factions hold a special obligation to be mindful of lore, diplomacy and regional power balance, even if there is no opposing faction that interferes.
It begs the question of whether or not this has actually happened as an event, because the official factions seem to not really recognize it.
(06-10-2013, 12:06 PM)Thyrzul Wrote: I know about the ooRP reason behind the base, thing is it has an inRP reason too. The ship may not be their property, but the station is. Seems people tend to forget this.
I always acknowledged that it has an in-rp reason too; I never forgot that. I'm just pointing out that there are two sides, and to my understanding factions are supposed to be more "excellent". To me, the "excellent" thing to do would be to let this slide, for the sake of other players as well as for the sake of immersion/realism (I mean very few would visit that place if not for the Aquilon) until the bug get fixed up, then go crazy with bases and guns and permissions.
(06-10-2013, 12:06 PM)Thyrzul Wrote: Well, not people, rather stations doing so. You just can't demand West Point to RP before shooting at your Xeno, can you?
There's a big difference in that Outcasts and TAZ are supposed to be neutral lore-wise, whereas West Point and Xenos aren't. That was a terrible example.
(06-10-2013, 12:06 PM)Thyrzul Wrote: Oh, wait, many people claim on these forums that pewing is a form of RP too, what do you think about it?
(06-10-2013, 12:06 PM)Thyrzul Wrote: If Malta would have suffered from Malaclypse Freeport so much, there has been already some tensions building up between Outcasts and TAZ. Currently I am not aware of such happening, if it really did, please redirect me to the ongoing roleplay related to this.
That is exactly the root of the issue I am having - I see pew as RP, so when TAZ killed me with no warning, I see it as TAZ going "Hey Outcasts, we had a good ride but now we had enough of you, and we're stopping your flow of cardamine and frying your ships in the process", however because the factions which represent the NPC factions go "Hmm ok", I am not sure whether or not to play out this event. TAZ DID shoot me, and countless of other Outcasts. They DID stop the flow of Cardamine for all but a few that got registered; and in-rp a lot of the Cardamine export is handled by junkers, but a lot of it is also handled by Freelancer traders who otherwise trade legit and wouldn't want to get registered anywhere. Blocking Cardamine trade should and would be felt in Outcast economy, but I suppose that is something that should be totally disregarded when factions are busy doing other things or can't be bothered throwing their weight into it?
tl;dr: Is an event only really an event when Official Factions get behind it? Should any and all roleplay and experiences of independent players be totally disregarded?
Anyway, did you try that T29 jh base? It's quite impressive, actually - as a comparison, I can easily enter O74 and deal with the ZA and NPC platforms without getting my shield lowered, but that base in baffin managed to get me down to 3 bars of health before I even got control of my ship. There's a vast, vast difference in deadliness. It's a completely different beast than the insignificant Guard NPC platforms and stationary BS's around JH's.
The only reason why you can get to 74 is because the stations themselves are linked to the guard iff, so you if you have a neutral stance the base will be neutral, if you are hostile it will shoot. It's a guard system, there is no reason for anyone to enter it, and if entering it you must have the papers to justify so, but more because some people just use it as a shortcut, but that comes with a little price, shield and a bit hull incase zoner hunting begins again. ( that's my way of looking at things ). The Insta-kill base in 29 JH serves its purpose, but major factions such as Outcasts can easily cripple TAZ and force them.
