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Dude. The ZA lore does not count as an argument for zoner battleships here. It's more of an argument against them.

The ZA despite being a faction that I do not like having as Zoners do have a point. Freeport 7 would be a massive kick in the pants for Zoners and would start the development of War vessels. If only for defence.

If we really want to get into it, there has to be somewhere that the line is drawn between logical and fair. If the game was completely fair, it wouldn't be logical. If the game was completely logical, it wouldn't be fair. There are some aspects fairness can apply to, however that doesn't mean everything is fair. I know you've heard the life's rough line a billion types, just as many as I've heard this is just a game, it's meant to be fair line. The point is, if the balance tips too far in either direction, everyone will be displeased (More so than everyone is displeased now. Devs are good, but not please every single person good).

And Tel, the Hessians are constantly active in combat, and engaging in combat. All of 'em.
They're kind of shooty people.

And I've yet to see an answer to my question, what purpose do these ships serve now that makes everyone so against the nerfs? Because let's face it, if it's truly about the RP a person(dedicated to RP, mind you) could fly a gunless ship and be happier than a Nom in a Marduk.

So… About that Nom in a Marduk, one of the primary reasons why Zoners would have big guns. Do I have to bring the Zoners together behind the banner of “Remember Freeport 7!” It was a big thing. A station got destroyed by a new terrifying alien species. The deaths of friends galvanises the Zoners into action. Especially seeing as they share the Omicrons with them. Why wouldn’t they go full on develop defensive weapons mode? I know I sure as hell would and that’s why we would.

And that K’Hara in a Marduk? A good reason for us to keep our guns. Space is not safe if you are a Zoner. Despite our best efforts there’s still people out there that don’t like us and the Nomads are powerful and have a good presence in the Omicrons. They also have an annoying tendency to shoot when you stop to talk to them.

And regarding Tel's double edit.
That would be absolutely lovely, I'm sure, but it's not something that can happen instantly. As it is to my understanding, the Zoners are for the most part nomadic in life style. Why, then, would they have access to a ship of such immense power? There has to be logic. It may not seem fair that your things are being nerfed, but it's logical. Lore is RP, yes, but it's a development of RP, a development everyone agrees makes the mod better. If the Junkers were to, say, ask for a dreadnaught and claim it makes sense, I guarantee they'd be met with the exact same response, if not harsher (Not picking on junkers, just using an example)

And that K’Hara in a Marduk? A good reason for us to keep our guns. Space is not safe if you are a Zoner. Despite our best efforts there’s still people out there that don’t like us and the Nomads are powerful and have a good presence in the Omicrons. They also have an annoying tendency to shoot when you stop to talk to them.

You seem to be taking this as if they're completely replacing the ship. To my understanding, they're simply modifying their class and how they stand as compared to other ships. You're free to RP just as you were before.
And if I recall correctly, caps are more dangerous than transports anyways?

How does making a Colony BS class ship into a battletransport doesnt mean "replacing".No explanations till now.And what can we RP with a battletransport that was before RPed as a Colony ship?The ship was huge and very much armoured to protect their inhabitants and the domes from the Nomads that were near their doorstep,just some steps away from their settlements in Omicron Delta.The current battletransport has huge cargo,is offering no defense against any threat that might be posed.That is just a blockade who were RPing with their juggys for this long.I even know a guy who bought it to just use it as an orphanage.What do you think they get in return,a completely useless restricted battletransport,not even worth a part of the time and ingame cash they invested into RPing and buying these things.

+1 agreement on this. There are a lot of people who have been doing a lot of RP. Now there’s a lot of people selling a lot of Zoner ships. Not an optimal set of circumstances.

Have you successfully defended against a raid by battleships with only gunboats?

Yep. I've also done it with bombers too.
Contrary to popular belief, caps aren't the only ships that can kill.

I challenge you to head into o99, find a Marduk, and take it down with the bomber of your choosing. You do that and ill eat my week old socks.

Eventually you'll also find that it's not the way to acquire resources for cloaks. That reasoning as a tool for duck hunting would be null and void. You may as well eat not only those week old socks but an old hat too, good sir.

No No No. Battleships are not the only ships that can kill. Nor are they only a tool for Duck hunting. They are a preventative measure. If I have a battleship you are far less likely to attack me than if I only have a gunboat. Especially if you have a Battleship. Like the Marduks. Hell, the Corsairs have two battleships and they are just pirates.

Yep. I've also done it with bombers too.
Contrary to popular belief, caps aren't the only ships that can kill.

I challenge you to head into o99, find a Marduk, and take it down with the bomber of your choosing. You do that and ill eat my week old socks.

Alright. I'll just go gather some locals to help me shoot it, like I should be doing.

No, you are a Zoner. There are no locals in the omicrons. You have to do it alone.

* Lythrilux presents you the award for general ignorance.

He has a point actually. There aren’t all that many people online in the Omicrons. In the Omicrons no-one can hear you shout “But I’m Neutral!”