Request for clarification

[Sabru]

Ok. HC member of a Zoner Official Faction here. here's a few things to think about, for those who have trouble with one of the simplest IDs in Disco.

Third but complicated option is that you try to contact official zoner factions, tell them who you have problems with, and maybe they will FR5 them for pirating fellow zoners what will make their life little more complicated as there is not much places for pirate IDs to dock and this will reduce them significantly.

Here. If you've been pirated by someone, send evidence to the official factions (Thats TAZ, OSI and Phoenix.) and if there is enough evidence to get an FR5, one will be applied for. However, we cant take just your word on it (because of grudges that may form).

If you have no proof, or inconclusive proof, then we cant help you with an FR5. Aside from that, as Garrett said, learn to deal with it like other Zoner players have. Talk with the pirate, try and work out a deal for passage or something. Or, as Laura suggested, hire freelancer escorts.

What a long winded way of saying, Get with the program and subordinate yourself to the official faction. - That's how it works here. The official factions are the arbiters of their NPC faction. If you dont want to involve them, fine. But dont QQ and demand ridiculous changes just so you can chase a vendetta.

I also reiterate my opinion that no true Zoner would resort to the idea of hiring someone to do their dirty work.The very idea is a rationalization, and a poor one at that. I never said that I thought Zoners were pacifists, I just happen to think the idea that, day after day after day, you let the same thug assault you and wait until he does so to fight back is ridiculous.

As to "try and work out a deal for passage or something", consider this, the people in question have been playing pirates nonstop for at least six months. I have a screen shot from when I was having firewall problems of Charles.Wagner attacking me AFTER I posted that I was having game troubles. I didn't post the screenie earlier because I correctly felt that at least part of the fault was mine because it ended up being my firewall that was causing the problem. None-the-less, he shot and killed me after that statement.

These people have been doing this since the day after the base went public on the forums. They are so bold in their behavior that they base ships on Cameron in Omega 9 so they can metagame when they see [Star] players login.

If you think they are committing rule violations, send evidence to the admins for sanction. If you dont want to do that, then dont QQ all over the forums.

You want us to pay blackmail for the right of passage in our own space, nothing more, nothing less. How long would you put up with having to pay someone to bring your groceries into your home because they point a gun at you EVERY time they see you? Apparently, the Zoner answer is, forever.

- There's that assertion again. "our space." I said before: apart from a few exceptions, zoner dont really claim space. Just because you chucked up a base by powertrading and jumptrading does not make it your space.

I am in agreement with Zen. Self-defense should encompass defense of their own space against aggressors. In this case, anyone who comes into a system that is within their ZOI and starts popping their members/allies should be considered actively hostile and thus would fall within the bounds of "self defense."

See, now here is the big hole in your argument (and it's large enough to fly a neph through) is that the Zoner ID has a 'whole Sirius' ZOI. Also, aside from a few exceptions, Zoners dont really "claim" systems.

If a zoner is being engaged by someone, and you are there, then you can help them in self-defense. That's the 'Zoner way'. But if they are being passive, even if they have pirated the zoner in the past, you cannot do anything.

As Garrett said, The Admins and the Community have been dealing with those who want Aggressive or "militant" zoners for a while now. Led particularly by Zen, the co-creator of 50,000 Zoner marines™.

If you want pew pew freedoms, pick another ID. Also, dont think "Zoner Neutrality" will protect you from everything. That's a semi-myth.

Why is it that first thing you do is to reconstruct the argument to turn us into rampaging Corsairs? We have a base, we have people that are predating on the base and the ships that support it. We are not making an army and invading Bretonia. The real answer here is that you are painting us with your old brush, and conveniently filing us as, Guilty, period.

- First. Now where did i mention corsairs?
Secondly, as has been pointed out, HIRE SOMEONE to defend your base. The Zoner ID is not for those who think it will give them immunity to all harm, or allow them to actively take out dangerous enemies.

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Time to take away all the Zoner combat capability, we'll forget how to use it by tomorrow anyway.

Taking caps away from zoner indies would be very nice, but harmful to the server. so it's unlikely to happen. However, having caps comes with that drawback of not being able to initiate pew for a reason, which should be obvious.

Oh, look, another misdirection, and another demand that we get with your program at the same time. Why bother making statements when you aren't actually going to be arguing the issue?

- That's the way it works newbies. you get with the existing program. Adapt to survive. People who jump around screaming about wanting things changed to their way, usually draw the ire of the community quite quickly.

Fine, fine, since the Zoners are too air-headed to remember that specific murderers killed their fellows (and how anyone can operate a starship with that level of processing power is beyond me), auto hotkey and bounty hunting are now in season.

You arent getting it. Your char can remember, but you cant pew them preemptively. That's not the way it works.there is a line where "realism" becomes harmful to a game.

As a final thought, if there were population variables in the game, Zoners would die out within a generation because they don't have the necessary survival skills without artificial assistance.

- So shooting everyone who's wronged a zoner in the past is "having the necessary survival skills"? If things were that way, zoners would be killed off by everyone long ago for shooting them for old incidents.

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