(03-12-2015, 04:56 PM)Snoopy Wrote: This is a feedback thread. Yes, feedback is being given but quite a bit of this is player vs player and the Congress Feedback page isn't the right place for it. If you want to do that, take it to skype. Quite a few posts have been made invised.
I actually find the above words very wise and reasonable, and i hope some will read it again and again.
This thread is on it's way to be the "Feedback for Disco Factions?" .. I'm sure there is a way to handle this
thread better than that ladies and gentlemen.
regards,
Xenon
If the concerns and criticisms being raised about the Congress in this thread were invalid, the staff would have already issued censure. I myself as a moderator can see whose posts have been edited (to remove insults or flaming) or whose posts have been deleted for being off-topic (eg. ad-hominem attacks that bear little relevance to the discussion at hand). The majority of posts so far have not required staff intervention, which should make it clear to you that most of the behaviour so far in this thread has been acceptable.
Attempting to leverage the threat of moderation is no excuse to bury your head in the sand.
As mentioned on the above text of Mr Snoopy, This is not the place for player vs player arguments.
This is a feedback thread for a certain faction and that's what i was referring to, in my previous reply.
Using this thread to direct replies concerning certain players away from the faction feedback, which is the aim of the thread.. is not
an enough reason for you or others to miss-use this thread and move away from it's purpose.
The suggestion that I am mis-using this thread does hold some comedic value, but it is untrue. To clarify my earlier post regarding staff taking appropriate censure, it is worth noting that staff are not immune to moderation by other members staff, and that the staff observing this thread have also read over my posts to ensure that they are appropriate, both in terms of content and presentation. Since none of my posts have warranted moderation so far, it stands to reason that my posts fit within the guidelines of the forum rules.
Insisting that defendants of the Congress stop falling back on the logical fallacy of "tu quoque" is far from causing misdirection: I have been offering unambiguous (from my perspective) instructions on where best to raise concerns regarding the actions of LibGov, its members or factions. Since all member factions of LibGov are Official, they have their own faction feedback threads, in which concerns specifically related to those factions should be raised. In situations where it pertains to LibGov as a whole, or it is unclear which feedback thread to use, the [LN] feedback thread should be a concerned player's first port of call.
This is the Congress feedback thread, and I have discussed issues of concern specifically relating to the faction. Discussions will be ongoing until those concerns have been responded to appropriately. (As an aside, even the attitude of its non-leadership members is a valid point of discussion, as it does have an impact on the public reputation of the Congress, and is possible to be discussed without resorting to ad hominem.)
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(03-12-2015, 09:49 PM)WildBill Wrote: Everyone needs to calm down. I am having a blast with the Trial RP going on right now. We do take the trial seriously. Several threats have been made and misinformation has been spread between the players involved.
It would appear that the misinformation has only been circulating around the Congress side of this encounter. Instead of sweeping it under the rug, why not explain what you think should be occurring, rather than operating under false assumptions?
(03-12-2015, 09:49 PM)WildBill Wrote: The trial RP is starting to take shape. JT had to try to find a way out of the courtroom due to (siege) threats. These threats were found to be false, however, the need to gather forces to defend Puerto Rico takes priority over any trial being held.
LibGov does not make threats; it makes demands. LibGov issued a demand to comply with a previous ruling which had little room for negotiation. It was deemed critical enough to warrant its own separate notification, and since it was not part of the court trial, the notification and compliance could be handled separately. It is mildly concerning that the Congress has failed to understand the separation of the two matters, both in-character and out-of-character.
(03-12-2015, 09:49 PM)WildBill Wrote: From an actual law enforcement point of view, yes, firearms and other "undetectable" weapons are smuggled into courtrooms every day across America. The screening methods are consistently circumvented by both criminals and *gasp* lawful entities. John and I have talked extensively about the misinformation and this problem has been addressed. A hidden firearm was brought in to the courtroom. It was not flaunted, only barely mentioned.
Sarawr has already addressed why your anecdotal generalisation is grossly inappropriate, so I will forgo any further criticism of that action for the moment.
(03-12-2015, 09:49 PM)WildBill Wrote: Calm down, it's fun RP. It seems to me that any time we (Congress) develops anything that might be considered fun RP, we are hammered with negative feedback. This is how we play the game, this is how our diplomacy works. I for one am sick and tired of catering to everyone else play/RP styles. Seems that everyone believes we are required to play/RP within their predetermined limits. This is not the case. If you want us to RP to your style, if you want us to play the game the way you think it should be played, tough.
I'm sorry, but that's not how it works here. It takes two to tango, but the Congress is trying to tap-dance instead because "it's fun". If you are only roleplaying by yourself or within your own faction, it is fine for you to do as you please. However, the moment you become involved (either voluntarily or otherwise) in any roleplay scenario involving an external party, you void the freedom provided by that isolation. As a member of an Official Faction, there is a required standard of roleplay that must be adhered to, in order to maintain a structured and functional roleplay continuity. If all players simply chose a course of action for their characters because it was a fun experience for the player, it would eventually lead to an anarchic environment. LibGov roleplay is almost always bureaucratic in nature, and involved players must expect and adhere to a certain level of decorum. As noted earlier by Sarawr, the Congress does not have the right to complain that the court trial is not fun for them as players, given that they demanded it occur in the first place.
The moment a player logs on to the Discovery server, they implicitly agree to play within the server's predetermined limits. The moment a group of players forms a faction and gain Official status, they agree to play by a higher level of standards that is acceptable to the staff and other Official factions. If those limits are not acceptable, the player may need to consider alternative media for roleplaying. If the Congress don't want to cater to the high level of standards set for Official factions, they may need to consider rescinding their Official status.