House, Military, Police and Intelligence IDs

[Thyrzul]

Portraying yourself as the victim here is pretty funny

The hypocrisy here is quite amusing, really. This whole drama made me curious and reviewed what the Wagner incident was actually about. Founding out how easily your goons were able to get baited into a law breach gave me a good chuckle, and yet you still think RFP overstepped their bounds by sanctioning IMG for an assault in the very vicinity of a Rheinland Military Battleship on a person you insist to be a criminal, yet were still unable to provide evidence about him having any criminal record within Rheinland. The only thing that could be wrong on the RFP side is the excessive amount of fine to cover those nonsense claims of Wagner, but that's all. You failed hard there and after months you still cannot accept that falling god damn hard for a trick like that was the fault of your faction members, big time.

I do not think you are anywhere near objective and bias-free in this debate, maybe it's time for you to eject here and now.

The problem with people avoiding this coveted "corporate piracy" is that they want it both ways - harassing, robbing, and shooting their competitors without the possible RP consequence of that corporation's house wanting to protect their interests, just flying past that same faction's bases in their house space as if nothing happened.

If you're deathly afraid you'll maybe get a little red stain on your crisp green repsheet from shooting someone with connections, perhaps it's more a matter of hardening up and facing potential in-game consequences than seeking admin intervention to implement a broad restriction on RP distress calls and a response by law enforcement when that makes perfect sense as well. Not all house law enforcement chooses to pursue it, which is nice and can make for some underhanded fun when all parties consent, but when they don't consent, what were you expecting from robbing and killing people? It's a diplomatic risk that you've got to account for as a smart corporation with an image to maintain and relationships to foster in your cost-benefit analysis. Players criticize factions that are friendly/neutral to a majority of Sirius all the time despite their actions, so why are they trying to get the same treatment?

Pretty much what I've been trying to suggest, but of course there will always be stubborn elements in this community.

Get creative if it's too much for your delicate repsheet to handle: attack them by proxies and stir up more factions' activity, make keeping their mouth shut part of the demand, give kickbacks to corrupt cops, make your services to that house more vital than their own corps' in some way. There are countless possibilities. Also, if people were friendlier with each other OORP, they could come to better general agreements to piracy (without being too pitched and artificial) without anyone crying, but there are far too many egos invested in pixels.

Actually one of these got me some ideas. There can be a lot of reasons thought of quite easily why would an FR5 be detrimental for either the house or the corporations.

In the case of corporations rivaling from the same house, by constantly destroying eachother's assets, they are both harming house economy, thus both would have to face the same negative consequences should their rivalry become revealed. -> No reports at all.

In the case of corporations rivaling from different houses, appeals could be made towards the sanctioning house, because if you harm their economy, but pay them back part of it, it's somewhat of a compensation. Arbitrary hypothetical scenario: IMG keeps dominating Kruger over a field but sells 1/3 of that ore to Rheinland for discount price, or for cheaper than Kruger would, that could be a reason for Rheinland to ignore Kruger's qq. -> No FR5s in the end.

Bamm, you don't have to fear from FR5s, because somebody else thought it out for you how to avoid them, and now everybody's happy... except those who suffer from these ID changes now because some others couldn't think for themselves before...

I just think all of that could/should happen without the axe of an FR5 also hanging over a faction's head, or at least certainly as a very very very very very very very last resort.....as in..."you're literally almost as bad as Bass Hunters in your in-game choices and should probably be kicked from the server, but we'll do this first" kinda thing. These things could all be done in-game via the player-player interactions, and not simply by making planets and stations non-dockable to a ship or group. As I also said, this new /nodock command may help make the FR5 not even needed in a lot of these cases, and PoBs can already prevent players/groups from docking with their lists.

From feedback from a lot of people throughout this thread as well as OFL skype chat I get the impression that - except for the /nodock command part - this has been the case for quite long already. Not "could/should", but "has been".

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