They give me hernias. (Won't move vertices in the first, second grabs too many >.<)
Explanation:
I open the coordinate editor and try to rearrange the points, but they won't move.
Groups I can select and set them, but trying to snag a single set for an engine is winding up grabbing triangles outside the desired area.
among tools u have tool called selection editor...why not trying to use that?...it works rather well (for a tool in Milkshape that is)