"New faction creation process and representation" discussion thread.

[Benjamin]

Questions that arise from this idea:
- In order to differentiate Factions from Groups, what kind of rights should [Official] Factions have over Groups or Independent players?

- Should the 500m fee stay or go?

- Should we limit the amount of official factions for each NPC group depending on the group? And what about Corporations whose headquarters are under the flag of a house?

- Should Independent players have a representative on the council?

- Should Factions be able to lose those rights if they go the wrong way?

- Should Groups have to abide by the policies set by the Council too?

Okay, these all turned up after I posted, so I'll give my opinions on these too.

"What rights should official factions have" and "should independent factions have a representation"

If we go with the council idea, say there's like, 12 seats on a council. Obviously this wont work for all factions. The official LWB faction couldn't fill 12 seats I don't believe, and we don't have any indies. But I'll use it for my example. Say a faction has one official faction, and potentially indies. In this case, say the official faction 'gets' 8 seats on the council, and the other 4 are up for grabs from indies. For two official factions, 4 or 5 seats for each faction, 2 or 4 for indies, and so on.
And then, you'd give the 'rights' to the council? Officialdom would grant you guaranteed permanent seats on the council, whereas groups and independents would be voted in to their chairs by a group of their peers (either a vote from all members of the NPC faction, official, groups and indies, or a wider vote of everyone who knows? Both these haev popularity contest issues I suppose, but I think in a lot of cases people would think with their head).

500m fee: If you submit your request knowing that you will be an unofficial group and under scrutiny for some time, this will require you to put effort in and not submit a flippant proposal. Which is exactly what the 500m is for currently, so I don't think it's necessary.

"Should we limit the amount of NPC factions": Yeah I think so. Talking of the LWB again, it doesn't make sense for them to have two groups. They're small, and importantly, they're a single issue faction. All they care about is freeing Stuttgart. Makes no sense for two seperate groups that would need the same ideology. The only groups that really suit multiple factions, in my opinion, are the big, unorganised ones. Outcasts, corsairs, zoners, IMG. Council in Gallia maybe, possibly Hessians. The big house factions would be organised and have a single goal and motives. Potentially this could be done through the council system and several official factions, but it just doesn't sit right with me.

Losing rights: Factions should definitely lose rights if they cross the line.

Abiding by the council: Yes. But it would suck if they didn't get representation.

How about this for a council idea. It's a little different, but it's something to think about, and it would be more 'community' minded.
Say the BAF for example. Using 12 again, how about:
5 BAF official faction
2 BAF independents
1 BPA
1 representative of bretonian corps
1 KNF
1 Corsair
1 "Wildcard". IMG, Zoner, LN, RM. Whatever.

This would get the whole community involved in the decisions of each faction. If one official faction was trying to 'powerplay' or do something unfairly, if the entirety of the council voted against them, it would be 7-5 and they'd lose.


Problem with the council thing is it only works on some factions. Big factions like BAF sure. LWB, like I said, not so much. Or at least, it would be pointless.

This stuff makes me think it would be better to have fewer councils, but bigger. Instead of a BAF council, have a Bretonia council. Councils only seem necessary for factions that have a lot of independents, or more than one official faction.

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