Uhm, serious Shinju? You taking this whole ID topic into denial judging on my personal situation? Then why not block "Join SCRA" outright as well simply because they act same ooRP war? That is a sword with two edges.
Cruisers shooting everything I can bring back OC cruisers/dreadnoughts in NY shooting everything near Manchester. Idiots ruin everything, but if you block everything in fear of idiots - you will end up locked in a cage.
We have SCRA ID this way of "No ZoI shoot everything ID" but I dont see people Q_Q much because of their NY raids. Shooting is fun, and Coalition is one of most outnumbered groups against which everyone group up.
(06-26-2015, 08:40 PM)Shinju Wrote: But they have ZoI and limited enemies as well...
The Order ID is basically the same as the ID I proposed earlier in this thread. There's evidence of no abuse happening with such IDs, why are people still making such assumptions?
(06-26-2015, 08:40 PM)Shinju Wrote: Some other factions have no access to caps - Gaians, Bundschuh, Xenos, GC, Farmers Alliance... And what? You just want No ZoI shoot everything ID because you know well... Coalition's enemy is basically 90% of Sirian/Gallic factions. + Read below.
No one is saying giving them cruisers are essential to the Coalition RP, however it would seriously not hurt to allow them to be openly used by indies in one way or another (Although inRP they do not have many, so an SRP process may be best).
You can't really compare all those factions you listed to the Coalition, which is it's own state with shipyards which has the capacity to manufacture capital ships. So it's pointless drawing comparisons such as that. The Order ID and some others is basically what you described in the latter part of your sentence. I don't see threads QQing about Order ID & co abuse. And being able to shoot lots of things yields consequences such as limited places to dock at and bad diplomacy.
(06-26-2015, 08:40 PM)Shinju Wrote: About cruiser - NOPE... Please no. We don't really need random Cruisers flying around shooting "EVERYTHING" if this change happens. Go and SRP one if you want... But this is kinda too stupid. SRP Coalition Dessie or SRP Terrorist ID.
But we already do in the form of basically 'every other faction which has cruisers' in the mod. Why are we so afraid? Rus_Man12 could go around blowing up people in a Coalition cruiser, but he could do the same in a Scylla, or a Vidar and so forth.
(06-26-2015, 08:40 PM)Shinju Wrote: And please do not try to do this just because you "left" SCRA and this is just ooRP war... I can't fly Cruisers because I don't have SCRA ID... But I want Cruiser for my new SCC Indie faction so let's jump in and use people for ooRP war.
The OP was made by someone who isn't in SCRA. It's not an ooRP war from the OPs PoV at least, same for mine and anyone else. JayDee and co may have their grievances however the community is fully capable of spotting a limited ID and the official faction curbing the fun of indies in order to have power and control.
Also can we not dictate that people's RP is just going to be going around Sirius only blowing things up? In fact, there's a whole bunch of factions which do that already, not that people seem to mind whoever. Lets stop being ignorant.
(06-26-2015, 09:11 PM)Shinju Wrote: Order ID - Cant use caps in systems with JG
- Is neutral/friendly with almost all unlawfuls
Coalition Indy change - Cruiser everywhere
- Is hostile even to unlawfuls except Mollys, RHA, LWB and VWA
- More enemies
Please how can you compare Order and new coalition ID? Tell me
Read carefuly... OP doesnt want Cruiser.
If you read what I wrote I said giving coalition indies a Cruiser isn't essential, however my proposal has a similar capital ship limitation line like the Order ID; the indies wouldn't be allowed to take capital ships into house space. In fact my ID proposal is actually in the OP, kek. So I guess you need to read carefully too
More enemies means less places to dock. That means there's less convenient places to undock from. Raiding can become trickier and as Evo pointed out to you with Aoi|, it's a balanced limitation of having more enemies.
And actually diplomacy here is irrelevant in fact: The Order ID can engage any unlawfuls they want, irrespective of diplomacy (unless the official faction gives a decree of "do not shoot x!" whereby they can file an FR2 if anything goes wrong).
(06-26-2015, 09:11 PM)Shinju Wrote: But OP isnt in ooRP war between SCRA and SCC - Tabris, JayDee and Snake, so please.
And after establishing this point (which I said myself too) this is relevant to the discussion how...?
Currently, the indie Order ID is a Coalition ID.
Some indie Bastet with Flashpoints goes into New York.
Kills a few Navy and Police things.
Docks on Rochester or Buffalo.
Here's what would happen if it would actually be a Coalition ID though.
Guy with a Coalition VHF and Coalition guns goes into New York.
Kills a few Navy and Police things.
Docks on Rochester or Buffalo.
See anything wrong?
Oh, look at that.
Coalition hates Junkers and Rogues.
Make the ID useable, please. Or at least, fun to use.
"Docks on Rochester or Buffalo."
Cant be done, Coalition have everything as hostile in Liberty. Even Junkers. Only closest base in FP or Barrier Gate station.
Order have more friends then Coalition.
Edit: Uhm, either you ninjad me with edit or I suffered wierd forum bug.
(06-26-2015, 09:58 PM)JayDee Wrote: "Docks on Rochester or Buffalo."
Cant be done, Coalition have everything as hostile in Liberty. Even Junkers. Only closest base in FP or Barrier Gate station.
Order have more friends then Coalition.
Edit: Uhm, either you ninjad me with edit or I suffered wierd forum bug.
Nah, no edit.
Most likely the Forum bug.
I still stand by my opinion though, even if the Forums want to break my posts~
(06-26-2015, 10:24 PM)Alhimik Wrote: Wanna fun? Take Pirate ID/iFF! But do not touch Coalition ID
Whats your loss anyway? I just dont get it. Why would you care what ppl will do with their ID?
And turning away from some faction just because its not fun is dumb. Why point people into another ID instead of listening to them and actually make it fun? Its just ignorance.
We can always give a new ID allowing cruiser and a bigger shooting range a trial like we did with the nomad ID. Then decide if it is worth it or not.
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