Vagrant Raiders (VR-)

[Rodnas]

Also a little feedback here:

- I severly miss a ZOI, right now it looks like you are Siriuswide, your ID proposal sugests the same, this might be a tad over the top

-Aside from the Liberty stuff, verything i see is Outcast + , so how do you separate yourselves from the OC diplomacy, tech and activity-wise?

-How does the neutral SCRA conection work out - as you guys don't look very commie to me and the SCRA is as far as i remember quite opposed to pirates(and anybody connected to cardamine)

-if you are originally based on lane-hackerdom, how do the poor sairs even show up on your diplo list? (i for example have never seen or heard anything of you guys ) - this is just a minor nitpick

-also, how to stay ont he good side with Liberty if you have Ageira as possible piracy targets( i take it none of the "white" ones are?)- how to keep up the lane hacker connection? and so on...


I kind of agree with Govedo here....i see nothing "unique" other than a neat repsheet that exists for reason not soooo plausible to me....so what are the VR about?

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[Thexare]

Also a little feedback here:

- I severly miss a ZOI, right now it looks like you are Siriuswide, your ID proposal sugests the same, this might be a tad over the top

Piracy is limited to Omegas (and only certain targets), Rheinland, and Taus. Our free passage through Bretonia and Liberty makes the first two viable, and Kansas isn't that far from Tau space thanks to Baffin. We're not using large ships for it; snubs and cargo ships, so even though we go pretty far, it's reasonable to supply on Zoner, Junker, and other friendly bases. I haven't even seen one of our gunships since we stopped trying to kill people in Liberty.

I would posit a counterpoint. In general the server's nowhere near as active as it used to be. Trying to pen any faction in too small an area may well lead to its death, if that area's inactive. See also: Kusari. Perhaps letting a few people extend their ZoI to dead regions will help with the activity there.

(not that we really have plans involving Kusari)

-Aside from the Liberty stuff, verything i see is Outcast + , so how do you separate yourselves from the OC diplomacy, tech and activity-wise?

Well, that'd be because historically we were very close to the Outcasts, especially after the Hacker diplomacy fell through a while back (we've patched things up since). However, now we're trying to go mostly lawful. Pretty much everything's in flux at the moment - RP should have consequences, so nothing's set in stone just yet.

-How does the neutral SCRA conection work out - as you guys don't look very commie to me and the SCRA is as far as i remember quite opposed to pirates(and anybody connected to cardamine)

First, see previous, we don't move cardi anymore and haven't in a while. Second, it's expected to be temporary. A ceasefire of convenience for common interests in the Omegas. As the Omega-49 issue draws to a close, I'd expect things to return to the usual state of affairs.

-if you are originally based on lane-hackerdom, how do the poor sairs even show up on your diplo list? (i for example have never seen or heard anything of you guys ) - this is just a minor nitpick

That's a good question. Let me reply to it with a question. How do half these corporate factions know what Nomads are?

If you want the most recent example, we got pulled into the Omega-49 clusterbang in an attempt to help TAZ. There were issues with Corsairs.

Also, we used to move cardamine. Occasionally through the Sigmas. There were issues with the Corsairs.

And we want to get a few people on our side. They have issues with Corsairs.

So, y'know. Sucks to be the Corsairs.

-also, how to stay ont he good side with Liberty if you have Ageira as possible piracy targets( i take it none of the "white" ones are?)

Well, for one thing how many Ageira people do you actually see?

Secondly, I'm pretty sure they're not valid targets. We don't like them, but we'll undermine them in other ways.

- how to keep up the lane hacker connection?

I have plans for this that I will not reveal until they're ready. Metagaming risk, y'know. The idea however is less combat support and more... assisting with other goals.

.i see nothing "unique" other than a neat repsheet that exists for reason not soooo plausible to me....so what are the VR about?

To repeat what I said above, we're basically a gang of semi-reformed pirates that are trying to legitimize themselves with basically the only thing they know. Unfortunately, this happens to be cargo interdiction; fortunately, there's always someone at war. As for the diplomacy, I reiterate, nothing is permanent. We'll make deals as suits our goals, if the other party's willing to play ball - so far, most of them have been, so it's just as much on them as it is on us.

(words re: nonvanilla)

Counterpoint: CR.

Everything has to start somewhere. And another part of our plan is to have a public ID for NO (I wanted it as part of the faction proposal, Kaz disagreed) so it isn't just limited to us. So even if the VR does die out, anything else we get will be open to other people.

[Kazinsal]

Natio Octavarium thing does not exist in Sirius. If it does not exist you cannot have it written in the Rules (your ID).

There are a number of NO- tagged ships. The only reason I haven't posted the Natio Octavarium post is because we're waiting on confirmation from Liberty that they recognize us (oh, yes, we've been RPing the heck out of that, if you haven't noticed). If our lack of an official post for Natio Octavarium makes you believe it's not a thing, then I'll be happy to clean up the draft and throw it on the forums.

I personally would not RP with any of you because such written story without any background that could be adjusted any time due to your faction needs is borderline powergaming in my books- as example read lore enemies to hug each other because the current leaders or the current situation dictates it.

So anything new and unique with an extensive background over the past five years in Discovery is automatically a bad thing. Gotcha.

A way better thing because when you disappear again after some time would get 4 useless content and RP wrecks- Phantoms,RoS, HF and VR.

I'm going to ignore this instead of taking this as a personal insult.

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[Moberg]

I think the 'friendly' towards the BAF will quickly turn into an unfriendly when you keep pirating Rheinland corporations which try to bring valuable goods needed for the Gallic invasion into Bretonia. You sort of disrupt the trade and slow it down.

That might be a problem Bretonia can't ignore long-term.

What do you plan about that? Have you even thought of it?

[Thexare]

I have, in fact, considered it. We don't have any exact plan in place for that, other than making ourselves just as beneficial to Bretonia as to Liberty. I've got a few ideas for how to approach the situation, but we'll see how it plays out.

[Moberg]

An idea would be to just go for cargo piracy, and then only commodities not related to shipbuilding? And then use your lawful side to gather shipbuilding materials legitimately.

But I still think that being a pirate in one house and claiming to be lawful two systems further appears to be sort of powergaming. Maybe stick to only one of it, or use restrictions like the junkers? (can not pirate in house space or something)

[Thexare]

Well, I've told the rest of them to go for cargo. Shipbuilding supplies going into Rheinland will definitely be hit, but we'll work out the details. Thanks for the input.

[Kazinsal]

or use restrictions like the junkers? (can not pirate in house space or something)

That's basically what we do. O-7 is a goldmine.

But yes, we will more or less be changing what and who we pirate to reflect this. Your input is greatly appreciated.

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[Rodnas]

Honestly, i think you should get your diplomacy straightened - if the Hacker and OC connection and the cardi trade is in change, why keeping up the connection and the ships? What will you tell your new lawful friends?
Pewing Ageira is ok because few use the id? Really....

So right now you want the benefits of the past and those of the future without getting any real drawbacks?

Also, for completions sake, the 49 story, while everyone loves to ignore what happened... there were no saints and i hope the TAZ didn't prefer losing Canaria to the SCRA instead of having the Sairs kicking the SCRA out...oh well, perception...

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[Kazinsal]

We don't pew Ageira. We just don't like them. Unfriendly does not require shooting.

Also, I just noticed our diplomacy with the Outcasts was still friendly. My bad. They should be at neutral. We don't shoot them, they don't shoot us.

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