TO dev team - BH downgrades at every "upgrades"

[DivineKiller]

The Manta is pretty good, if not very good.

The Bottlenose needs a complete rebalance now after its model was made larger. It is useless now.

Yes. Now Manta is pretty good. And was very good, indeed. Is "The best" from a failed/bugged/nerfed BH line of ships. My proposal: Pls, instead of making new BS or BC for BH, fix the existent line.

[DivineKiller]

Oh... and now i saw the stats for Moray too... The BH bomber is now under-mediocre ship as well - he have 38200 (lowest) firepower from all bombers and is under top 7 at angular speed (1.0500). Wiki is bla-bla.

[Just.Dave]

"No TZ on gunship" Wrong it's TZ still work and yes the did make the BH gb bad and they could be fixed since all gb can fire 6 gun forward only 4 for the BN but in 86 it was fined it was small and if fat

[DivineKiller]

"No TZ on gunship" Wrong it's TZ still work and yes the did make the BH gb bad and they could be fixed since all gb can fire 6 gun forward only 4 for the BN but in 86 it was fined it was small and if fat

nope- no TZ on BH gunship now. I can check and confirm this always. A perm "feature" for BH gunship.

[Just.Dave]

odd since never heard of tz not working on BN and yes i have one and use it on the 12 this month

[Lythrilux]

To be fair, whilst the manta is fine BHG has been given two terrible gunboats.
Regardless of TZ, BN still sucks because it's been too upscaled for what it's armour is worth.
Also, the Orca really is just a brick. It was really disappointing to open up FL and see it didn't get any stat changes at all. When the inforcard said it was an improvement, we thought it'd get better stats that it's current crappy ones.
The way the Orca is now, it's a Bret GB sized GB with near Kusari Explorer armour and a terrible powercore. It's everything a GB gunboat should not be.

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[Curios]

u wot m8

manta is cool

gunboats are over rated

and you also have moray

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[Kazinsal]

TZ is broken on a number of ships for no apparent reason.

My proposed solution is to remove TZ altogether, but people do not seem to be fond of this idea.

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Retired, permanently.

[Curios]

TZ is broken on a number of ships for no apparent reason.

My proposed solution is to remove TZ altogether, but people do not seem to be fond of this idea.

OMG YES PLS

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[aerelm]

You're claiming every single BHG ship has been receiving nerfs with "every" update since the initial release, and that's while Sea Serpent and Hammerhead have received considerable buffs, Manta and Moray have not been touched at all, gunboat and gunship stats are not final yet due to model changes, and lack of TZ is not a ship-specific issue but rather a genera hook-related bug.

The only considerable "nerf" the BHG has received since the release of 4.87 has been regarding the Buckshots projectile speed, which again, is nothing specific to BHG but rather the overhaul for particle and neutron projectile speeds across the board.

I'm afraid I don't see how I can help you here, mostly because you're basing your arguments around your "feelings" rather than the actual stats, and to me, each and every single one of those ships seem to "feel" rather different than what you're describing.