(12-29-2013, 09:53 PM)kikatsu Wrote: Freelancer IDs have a line that allows them to attack any ship in order to defend a ship that is allied or neutral to them, so that is a free entrance into most engagements.
This shouldn't be allowed, if a Civilian sees someone being mugged in the street, they can't just shoot the mugger dead without consequence.
Depends on the city/state/country, actually.
Typically, law provides civilians with the ability to defend another person, including deadly force.
(12-29-2013, 09:53 PM)kikatsu Wrote: Freelancer IDs have a line that allows them to attack any ship in order to defend a ship that is allied or neutral to them, so that is a free entrance into most engagements.
This shouldn't be allowed, if a Civilian sees someone being mugged in the street, they can't just shoot the mugger dead without consequence.
Depends on the city/state/country, actually.
Typically, law provides civilians with the ability to defend another person, including deadly force.
I guess, where I come from, you can get into trouble if you injure a burglar that's chosen to break into your home at night to steal your stuff/rape you.
You are allowed to use "reasonable force", whatever that is...
(12-29-2013, 09:53 PM)kikatsu Wrote: Freelancer IDs have a line that allows them to attack any ship in order to defend a ship that is allied or neutral to them, so that is a free entrance into most engagements.
This shouldn't be allowed, if a Civilian sees someone being mugged in the street, they can't just shoot the mugger dead without consequence.
Depends on the city/state/country, actually.
Typically, law provides civilians with the ability to defend another person, including deadly force.
I guess, where I come from, you can get into trouble if you injure a burglar that's chosen to break into your home at night to steal your stuff/rape you.
You are allowed to use "reasonable force", whatever that is...
Reasonable force usually means that if burglar is unarmed, you can´t empty full magazine in his body with your gun, especially not without warning. But usually doesn´t mean you can´t defend yourself at all. Some goes for help to other people on the street. Actually, in some countries you can be prosecuted if you were able to help and you didn´t. Of course you can´t just shoot the mugger to head in a second, but you also can´t just stand ten meters from a crime and just continue browsing web on your smartphone. And if the mugger is armed with gun, you usually have the right to shoot him if he will threaten you or other civilian around.
(12-29-2013, 09:54 PM)Thargoid Wrote: Thanks, filing a sanction then, he just attacked me with one line RP, then opened fire in seconds.
No agreement for payment was talked about in local, I never even had time to react because I was dead within seconds after his message.
I was pirating in a Civi Shuttle for fun, and this FL comes along with a Solaris GB and pops me.
Okay, so you were actually engaged in the act of piracy - which means (presumably) that you'd done your appropriate RP with the victim.
Freelancer ID works both ways, you know. They CAN be lawful, too - not just pirates. That's why we used to have the Vigilante ID on here.
Thus, he had no reason to ask about payment - he was simply being a good person and assisting the police or whatever entity happens to control the sector you were in - or just being a good samaritan and assisting someone in trouble.
Either way, based upon your own statements, you were involved in a PvP interaction, this guy joins said PvP interaction by making the appropriate one line of RP - probably something along the lines of 'Engaging the pirate scum' - and you got killed.
No sanction report, nothing worth filing - you got caught breaking the law and someone blew your ship up because of it. Live and learn.
Here's a real good way to think about this - consider space, regardless of where you are, to be Texas and Oklahoma. You decide to commit a crime, these are open carry states, although concealed carry is VERY popular. Thus, you commit a crime here, and it's entirely possible that not only is your victim armed, but if an average citizen sees you, he'll practice good gun control and make sure there's nothing in the background before filling you full of lead.
Either way - would you be complaining if the guy that had popped you happened to be a Navy Gunboat? No. (Well, maybe - from reading many of your posts you do seem sort of whiny about things at times.) You were engaged in a criminal act. Someone that you presumed was a fellow criminal did not turn out to be one. Too bad, you were someone else's blue message. Get over it, and figure that if you do file a sanction, it'll get completely ignored BECAUSE you were already engaged in piracy and a PvP encounter.
(11-21-2013, 12:53 PM)Jihadjoe Wrote: Oh god... The end of days... Agmen agreed with me.
If you were pirating in Liberty, you were probably bountied automatically by the Liberty Bounty Board - if you have some kind of unlawful ID, including the Pirate ID. Then you have to check if the Solaris GB that attacked you is registered for that board.
Your location is quite important, as different bounty boards have different rules and cover different areas.
(12-29-2013, 09:53 PM)kikatsu Wrote: Freelancer IDs have a line that allows them to attack any ship in order to defend a ship that is allied or neutral to them, so that is a free entrance into most engagements.
This shouldn't be allowed, if a Civilian sees someone being mugged in the street, they can't just shoot the mugger dead without consequence.
ever were in texas? XD
also "almost" erverywere on the world if there is a danger for ppl you are somtimes forced by law to help and defend the live of inocent´s / Citizans ironicly even by leathal force if necessary. ^^
Freelancer can attack if they are registered to a bounty board or hired in spot by a trader in system chats to defend its transport's cargo against pirates ()
Well, that never happened, so I might as well use up my daily sanction as it was pretty pathetic to kill a level 30 player in a GB who was just having fun and not really there to cause anyone any harm.
I was demanding really low amounts on low level transports just for fun, you know, so they actually have a chance at killing a pirate themselves for once, I never even had any armor.