...I legitimately considered being lost in thought, all alone in Gallia as random Order. Many times. While it's not the same and places has too many lanes, at least I wont be steamrolled by player controlled Oblivion city guards.
(04-07-2019, 11:42 PM)Vendetta Wrote: I proposed an Omicron extension that wouldn't affect the layout and instead give more unexplored, unclaimed systems that connect and split off from existing ones without adding fillers inbetween. With environmental hazards and actual dangers.
Too bad that never got taken into consideration.
It did, and I agree with it, and I generally want to see more of this kind of thing. Unfortunately the only people I know both capable of and interested in doing that work are either all too busy or on a holy crusade against the development team at the moment.
(04-07-2019, 11:42 PM)Vendetta Wrote: I proposed an Omicron extension that wouldn't affect the layout and instead give more unexplored, unclaimed systems that connect and split off from existing ones without adding fillers inbetween. With environmental hazards and actual dangers.
Too bad that never got taken into consideration.
It did, and I agree with it, and I generally want to see more of this kind of thing. Unfortunately the only people I know both capable of and interested in doing that work are either all too busy or on a holy crusade against the development team at the moment.
Their "holy crusade" is somewhat justified, but I don't want to get in to the attitude and behavior of that at this time. This isn't the place.
take current Omicron Epsilon (atm it's just jammed between Mu and Minor) as Order's entrypoint to Nom worlds and those random Edge Worlds Sombra is implying and at least some semblance of 4.85 can be relieved by myself and the Order bois.
Maybe sponsor tentacle-induced annihilation for the Daumann and Junkers too.
Agreed, there is left not much grey zones in space. Reduction of systems wasnt so needed, now you jus feel like space became too "cell"
Adding more systems, more frontier could actually bloor quasi houses strictness and will stretch/bloor atual frontlines, which formed now when there just no possibility go without stucking. I know that was intentionally, but that space not in which i want play. I dont see space as communal appartments, where i cant spit withou hitting something.
P.S.What you all see painful with Omega navigation? Its easy, we even intercepted mako in tempest once,charging for him 3 systems. All this dozen of routes is myth, just need actually play here a bit.
Also only one difference which i see if compare o-2 with o-11,its shifting from rheinland to independents+bretonia. Now its clear that without houses fleet, corporations playerbase amase that somebody want kill them, and instead of how lyth dream,call core or bhg, they just move in more safe places.
(04-07-2019, 11:50 PM)Omicron Wrote: Personally I do not see any other solution than hard reset and removal of people's assets, factions and pixels or digging more fillers and new colonies so far that territorial contests of Omicrons loose all meaning. Originally the Edge Worlds were a place to disappear and never been heard about again. Any and all solutions will only make people angry at loss of RP and pixels, myself included.
So we're gonna address the elephant in the room.
Let me translate your words: "Personally I do not see any other solution than hard reset and removal of people's assets, factions and pixels"
This would mean undoing effort put in and still being developed by players and developers through the years because the feeling you had when were young is no longer there.
You're right - the Omicrons are no longer that far out place people don't know much about and fear getting lost in, but you could'have said the same about the wild west which is now civilized. Human expansion towards the edge worlds was bound to happen sooner or later, but for the sake of gameplay and replay-ability you were offered the chance to experience both the "wild west" as well as the half colonized edge worlds within the discovery mod.
You put Core in the spotlight here, yet Core is only claiming vast territories only through it's goals, but doesn't actually have that gameplay impact. In reality Core holds Rho while contesting Delta, Minor and Omega55 (I'm ignoring the Omega58 battleship on purpose). The "wild west" in regards to Core is only denied to you by a system and small sections of very few others.
Ok this is basically just a Core Feedback Thread spin-off so I'm going to touch upon one thing before getting into the meat of this.
(04-07-2019, 11:21 PM)Omicron Wrote: Borderworlds
A final frontier, largely distant and poorly secured systems ripe for exploration by freelancers and exploitation by corporations. A significant portion of overall systems of both vanilia and discovery where influence of the houses organically reduces to nill to give in to rogue states and pirate warlords. In a universe where a nation cannot fully close in their own homeworlds - as evidenced with presence of Badlands or even entirety of Texas system - and merely satisfied with holding onto the open space where their vast stations and planets are at, BW’s are a free real estate for those who are not bogged down by internal politics of the very houses. You were hard pressed to see actual presence of the governments even in most directly adjacent border worlds: save perhaps for military patrols along the trade lanes and mysterious yet overarching treaty of Boorman that equalized things somewhat.
This world has been completely ruined, in my honest opinion.
I wouldn't say this is true, and even if it was in Vanilla we are now playing Discovery. These are Border systems - they border House space. Of course Houses don't have total control over these systems, they still have quite a big stake in them (enough to build Lanes and Jump Gates clearly). Influence varies (you have places like O-3 which literally have a colonised planet in them, or O-7 where Rheinland has seized the systems mining fields). The vast majority of Border Worlds have also been named by the Houses, which says quite a lot about the amount of influence they have there. Omega-5, Omega-2 and Omega-49 really aren't Border Worlds and I don't know why they've been classified as such. Regardless, House presence in these systems is significant enough to take territory, establish tradelane networks and create infrastructure, however they still struggle to deal with things like piracy outside of their own spheres of influence. There's a reason why unlawful bases are nowhere near these.
I feel your statement better fits the Edge Worlds. Those truly are the final frontier, however........
No one asked for Ennibeck, and I'm actually surprised you don't remember the Dev chats. DHC didn't request it. At first, Rohj wanted to push for it to be a Republican Shipping base in Rho (to which we objected to but were told to deal with it). When Xalrok took over, we were given the option to change things slightly. IIRC the base still had to come, but at least we got to pick between having it either in Rho (which just wouldn't make sense) or in Delta. We chose the latter, which I believe makes sense, for reasons I will divulge into momentarily.
(04-07-2019, 11:21 PM)Omicron Wrote:
This wasn't requested either, and I've also heard LSF actually wants to get rid of it(?). I've been more than happy to provide them with alternate roleplay solutions, so that sense can be made out of it.
(04-07-2019, 11:21 PM)Omicron Wrote:
Core| has been considering reworking the Omicronis concept because we're bored of it basically. If people looked closer, it's been omitted from the majority of our roleplay for quite a while now. Truthfully, we don't really know what we want to do with it, however the imperialistic nature of the faction is a decade old concept and even since Agmen/Athenian times 'Core Empire' was a goal for (BHG) Core.
Omicron Delta pretty much has been Core dominated (dare I say controlled, but it'll most likely spurn the rage of some very passionate individuals) since before I even started playing. The reason you have Ennibeck there is because you have Nauru there - a colonised planet. Nauru is the sum of dozens of threads of roleplay between various corporations and Core/APM, and actually Ennibeck is not the only Corporate presence in the Omicrons (Nauru itself has leased land and offices of foreign allied Corps). As someone else touched upon, the wild west didn't remain wild forever. Like Nauru is literally a planet made of one of the most rarest resources in the sector, of course it's going to attract Corporate and monetary interest.
(04-07-2019, 11:21 PM)Omicron Wrote: (also the random Junker base)
I kind of suggested/asked for this to be added in. Quasi-lawfuls and Unlawfuls needed a base in the Omicrons to launch piracy from that wasn't Zoner controlled or where they couldn't be yeeted Sirius wide from an unrealistic CoF FR5. Granted, CoF has since dissolved since then and that threat is no longer a problem. At the time though, Tarancon was necessary, and I'd argue it's inclusion is pretty cool as it's effectively Junkers combing the huge Minor debris fields for scrap.
(04-07-2019, 11:21 PM)Omicron Wrote: A self declared empire in Omicrons, the last corner of space untouched by humans at large when the ACTUAL House-building faction of GMG is perpetually stuck in a independent corporation phase when it’s not being directly poked at by Kusari or Rheinland. Faction that needed centuries to establish its own identity and look for a homeplanet to call their own is in my personal opinion overshadowed what not too long time ago used to be a supposed House-funded insurgency to kick Order and chew Nomad gum.
Core can't be held accountable for GMG not developing (not that they weren't unironically already saying they controlled every corner of anything with 'Sigma' in it's name). I won't deny that as part of our resurgence, our faction was blessed with a little bit more attention and we got an Official event at our apex (and Order did as well, mind you). Since then though, other than finishing BHG|Core's loose ends (Nauru basically) we haven't really done any developments lol other than the O-3 thing extremely recently. I've been desperate to move out of BHG|Core's shadow and do our own thing for years, but have never been given the chance by the developers (Omicron Dev Chat was renowned for being dead and ignored).
(04-07-2019, 11:21 PM)Omicron Wrote: I will be entirely honest, I didn’t come up with concept of Order laws until the two events I am about to tell you. First off, Core claiming things left and right. The only reasonable option in my mind is to set a comparable claim albeit less extreme and invasive to curbstomp their ambitions INRP (even if I perfectly know that nobody cares INRP and OORP). Second reason was that too many people complained to me that they got shot for seemingly arbitrary reason. I would perfectly go without them but to hell with it, we had gone too far as a mod.
The Order Protectorate (Laws) do just look like a Core copycat. It just doesn't fit Order's role. Order doing it just ruins it's own concept tbh. Laws are for Lawful factions.
I would argue actually that the main purpose of the laws is to simply meet the Lawful Evil RP of the faction. Although Core has a large civilian element and territory that would mean law is pretty much necessary, largely the purpose of these laws is to legally let pilots get away with being assholes. The 'Insult' law doesn't exist to help maintain peace or dominate territory, but for pilots to waggle their faux power in front of people for very silly reasons. It's why I pushed for them to be enforceable in at least most of their ZoI: it's not to canonize ridiculous claims of space they obviously can't back up inRP, it's to follow pipe dreams of an impossible empire and bully others by rattling their cages for credits for absurd reasons in absurd places.
(04-07-2019, 11:50 PM)Omicron Wrote: Personally I do not see any other solution than hard reset and removal of people's assets, factions and pixels or digging more fillers and new colonies so far that territorial contests of Omicrons loose all meaning. Originally the Edge Worlds were a place to disappear and never been heard about again. Any and all solutions will only make people angry at loss of RP and pixels, myself included.
You want to know what is bad? Order being given Omicron Mu and Akabat out of thin air as insurance to avoid them suffering any tangible consequences from the battle of Toledo (truthfully though, I am not too fussed, as Mu's function as a home system has (in the past at least) worked as an excellent activity hub and area for home system raids). In fact, there was a period where you actually gave Order extra assets when you were a Developer - I don't think you can complain when you are part of the problem - there are still Order assets in the mod from that period with no history until you added them in. Core at least had to work to conquer and colonise its territory. The Nauru project lasted well over a decade, and I'd challenge anyone to find a colonisation effort that can match that in terms of length and time and effort and quality (but XD, it's so much easier to jump on a bash circlejerk than read these days....). Don't remove things people actually worked for, just because people have got things they haven't worked for, or because you just straight up don't like that people have been able to roleplay and progress whilst you have stagnated. And actually Golly, it's pretty shady of you to suggest this when Order is actually a sirus-wide faction and has the freedom to develop across the sector, rather than just the Edge Worlds. With that in mind, I wouldn't even say you're qualified to make that statement at all.
(04-07-2019, 11:42 PM)Vendetta Wrote: I proposed an Omicron extension that wouldn't affect the layout and instead give more unexplored, unclaimed systems that connect and split off from existing ones without adding fillers inbetween. With environmental hazards and actual dangers.
Too bad that never got taken into consideration.
This. Justin and I talked about it a while back and it would be a great addition. Inject the region with several new Omicrons with habitable planets and stuff for everyone to compete over. Start a gold rush for territory and resources.
Otherwise, it doesn't matter how many times we'd needlessly wipe everyone's assets in the region: unless factions are content with staying in the same place and never changing for years we will always come back to this complaint. Factions evolve, it's only natural.
I feel inter-house borderworlds need the most love, as they're the break-points between houses. In Vanilla, Magellan felt like the wild west, as did Vanilla Bering.
Probably only Bering, Puerto Rico, and maybe Galileo have this remote feel.
Bering is impacted by being really boring and under-designed.
THE SYNDIC LEAGUES
(A co-operative of Rheinland's Shipping Unions, retired from a life of piracy.)
Can you shove your Core propaganda off this thread? You are symptom of much more complex problem which I personally have most experience with. If you got problem with it, there's Order feedback thread for it.
EDIT:
IW's are another branch of the issue, though myself always counted them as just detached border worlds. Everything I said also applies in full force to any and all independent worlds.