This is completely unecessary in it's current form. I can tell you know it will not get approval if it goes for official status for the following reasons:
1) Yet another Liberty Unlawful faction. Liberty has four official and untold dozens of unofficial. It simply doesn't need another one.
2) It's yet another "We don't pirate" faction operating under the flag of an NPC faction which does pirate. The HF exist because they do it well and have been doing it well for a while. Another isn't needed.
3) It's a Hacker faction because it can't be a Xeno one, there's nothing here that suggests to me that you're not using the Hackers simply because you have to use something. Hacker doesn't fit this concept at all.
Finally it's just another pew pew the lawfuls faction with an attempt at some make-up and a posh frock. Liberty Lawfuls deal with enough crap as it stands. This will not address the balance it will simply make things worse.
Edit: Noticed the post before mine, if you are going to pirate then you are just another Hacker faction, with exactly the same goals as the current one, that one does just fine thanks, and isn't a big enough NPC faction to justify two near identical factions existing through it.
In short I suggest you scrap this concept and concentrate on something different, or better yet join the existing Hacker faction.
Leading a faction has no kudos attached to it anymore, used to be faction leaders were respected but now we're all seen as monstrous oppressors of the independent populace. Added to that it's a lot of hard work for no tangible gain. The only rewards I get from leading my Rogues is the thanks of my Rogues and the lack of folks whining about my Rogues. It's largely a headache without gain. Why folks feel the need to create a faction I'll never understand. I didn't make the LR because I wanted to per se, I made it because the last one went under and Liberty without Rogues isn't right. And even then I didn't make it, Niezck did and dumped it on my head after two weeks. That was how I "lucked" into my position. Ask any competent faction leader, how much work needs doing each day before you get in game and what happens to a faction if you don't get in game and don't have Phate or Sindroms in your faction. Without leadership presence factions die. Quick.
Saint Del is considered a holy healer of diseases of children, but also as a protector of cattle.
' Wrote:This is completely unecessary in it's current form. I can tell you know it will not get approval if it goes for official status for the following reasons:
1) Yet another Liberty Unlawful faction. Liberty has four official and untold dozens of unofficial. It simply doesn't need another one.
2) It's yet another "We don't pirate" faction operating under the flag of an NPC faction which does pirate. The HF exist because they do it well and have been doing it well for a while. Another isn't needed.
3) It's a Hacker faction because it can't be a Xeno one, there's nothing here that suggests to me that you're not using the Hackers simply because you have to use something. Hacker doesn't fit this concept at all.
Finally it's just another pew pew the lawfuls faction with an attempt at some make-up and a posh frock. Liberty Lawfuls deal with enough crap as it stands. This will nolt address the balance it will simply make things worse.
Well then, My attempt has failed, but I will answer to you.
1) Well, that is true, but look at the number of lawfuls in Liberty. I am not talking about factions only, there are many good independent roleplaying lawfuls too.
2) As i sad in my last post, its not a "We don`t pirate" faction. It is in my plans to make a smuggler and pirate wing.
3) Well, I use hackers, because for me they really do fit. They live in the shadows, come out only to strike yet another attack to the Ageira. And this is my main plan. Not to just fly around so everybody could see us. It is in my plans, to stay low, and been seen only when in battles. Come out of the nebulas/fields, attack, and disappear as fast as possible, leaving no trail behind.
3) I am not really trying to balance anything. Who sad that the lawfuls must be the greatest ones around. And again, It is not in my plans to make a "pew-pew" faction. It is in my plans to make a good roleplayable environment in liberty, because now it really is just a pew pew house.
But, if an admin says that I have no chance to make it official, then I will just try to convince you, that we can good enough for you.
Del summed it up quite well, I didn't want to be so blunt.
If you remove New York from you area of operations, things might get interesting.
Actually, scratch that. I think you need to hang around the HF or LH for a while, just to get to know things.
Nothing can stop you from making an unofficial faction. But then really, keep your capital ships away from New York... oh and ... leave the New York Jump gate <-> Mojave Trade Lane to the Liberty Rogues.
' Wrote:Del summed it up quite well, I didn't want to be so blunt.
If you remove New York from you area of operations, things might get interesting.
Actually, scratch that. I think you need to hang around the HF or LH for a while, just to get to know things.
Nothing can stop you from making an unofficial faction. But then really, keep your capital ships away from New York... oh and ... leave the New York Jump gate <-> Mojave Trade Lane to the Liberty Rogues.
I have made a bad impression about the plans...
There wont be a lot of capital ships in this faction.
The flag ship, which will only come out to roleplay, staying in the fields and nebulas. The only battles which this ship will see, is against the LN. Then theres going to be 2-3 destroyers, which will be used to deal with the cap-whores in liberty, but not in New York. The backbone of the faction is the fighters, not the capships. I will rise the destroyer up to commander and higher. No dessies for lieutenants with special permission.
I will edit the first post, removing the NY from zone of operations. The only reason I added it there, is because we may cross it from time to time. We will not sit there, and pew pew around.
Well, the Mojave <-> ny jg is a legend. I am in the rogues myself, and I know what is going on there. Theres too many people pirating there as it is. I wont bug that lane.
' Wrote:Well then, My attempt has failed, but I will answer to you.
3) I am not really trying to balance anything. Who sad that the lawfuls must be the greatest ones around. And again, It is not in my plans to make a "pew-pew" faction. It is in my plans to make a good roleplayable environment in liberty, because now it really is just a pew pew house.
Perhaps you missed the part were the Admin told you there were 4 NPC (or more) and a dozen or so unofficial factions that come to Liberty to fight the lawfuls. Here is a list for your perusal:
1. Indie Pirates
2. SCRA
3. Liberty Rogues
4. Xenos
5. Lane Hackers
6. Unioners- There is a war on
7. Mollies
8. Corsairs
9. RM- There is a war on
10. HF - Hell fire Legion
11. Wolves
12. Maf
13. Maurauders
14. Outcasts
15. SOB
16. SLM
17. CCS
18. Gaians
19. Order
20. Smugglers
21. Nomads
22. Keepers
23. Phantoms
24. Unlawful mercs
25. Unlawful freelancers
26. LWB- There is a war on
So, tell us again about all those lawfuls you see and the balance to the force that you think you can bring?
Also, the comment about why should the lawfuls be the greatest ones around? They are part of the House forces which have the support structure to equip and maintain them. This Mist fleet has no planetary system, no support structure, no shipyards, nothing.
Perhaps one of the factions listed above would be willing to take you in as a member.
Formerly known as LPI Police Chief Hull O'Brien.
Creator of Sgt. V. Price, 207th Precinct out of Chula Vista Station
Quote:3) I am not really trying to balance anything.
Balance is required for organized events, especially.
Quote:Who sad that the lawfuls must be the greatest ones around.
No-one. Because they aren't. I think the Liberty criminal factions are better organized and create a friendlier environment among their own members than the lawful factions. Sometimes both the official hacker-affiliated factions are limited by the amount of silly-acting pirates (who are on the verge of being out of roleplay, often). Meaning: Liberty would have a better RP environment if those weren't there, and having even more criminals will not help it.
Quote:And again, It is not in my plans to make a "pew-pew" faction. It is in my plans to make a good roleplayable environment in liberty, because now it really is just a pew pew house.
That wasn't included in your original post. If you really mean it, make it one of your main goals.
But then I wouldn't envy you, because it's not easy. It's easily doable in a closed environment like inside the factions I'm in or during organized events, but not in New York with so many random encounters.
And I have to re-iterate, the military rank structure is in direct conflict with Lane Hacker goals, methods and purposes. What Liberty needs is less conflicts and bossing everyone else around.
If there was some faction roleplay of the month contest in Liberty, I'd currently vote for the LPI, I think (can't vote for LH since I don't have an unbiased opinion).
Well again, you are true, but -
1. Indie Pirates - well yes, we have a dozen active ones
2. SCRA - how often do they come? Once a week/month?
3. Liberty Rogues - active in California, and I am a members
4. Xenos - pure terrorisms, have no comments on this
5. Lane Hackers - Saronsen was it? We have him and some of his buddys active, and the two factions, from which I usually see only the hellfire legion active. The lane hackers are not active.
6. Unioners - how often do they come? Not very often
7. Mollies - They have their war in Bretonia, why should they come to Liberty?
8. Corsairs - They have their war against outcasts, and a battle against Bretonia. They are too far from us, to be a real enemy.
9. RM- There is a war on - True, but as I sad, my plan is to put some struggle on the shoulders of the lawfuls. An inside war
10. HF - Hell fire Legion
11. Wolves - Active? WHEN? I know who they are, but I have never seen them ingame
12. Maf - Here you got me red handed, dont know them
13. Maurauders - Here you got me red handed, dont know them
14. Outcasts - Well, the real outcasts factions dont come here very often. But atleast they put up a fight
15. SOB - Well, the real outcasts factions dont come here very often. But atleast they put up a fight
16. SLM
17. CCS
18. Gaians - They have their trouble in Bretonia
19. Order - More often seen in Alaska, and they have their war in the Omicrons
20. Smugglers - Smugglers are smugglers.
21. Nomads - Trial ones, dont really do any harm
22. Keepers - Come to liberty weekly right? But they are our enemys too.
23. Phantoms - Ill add them to the hostile list.
24. Unlawful mercs
25. Unlawful freelancers
26. LWB - Not seen very often.
Well, Atleast I get some feedback....
It was just a try, and from my point of view, a good one.
I will still try to convince people, that we belong here.
About the Lawafuls being the best ones - It should not be this way. Not always should it work out for them. We should be able to make big impacts on them, to make them struggle. Now its just - ''oh look, and pirate, lets go pew pew it fast, because my mom is waiting, i have to go eat dinner.''
' Wrote:Well, Atleast I get some feedback....
It was just a try, and from my point of view, a good one.
I will still try to convince people, that we belong here.
About the Lawafuls being the best ones - It should not be this way. Not always should it work out for them. We should be able to make big impacts on them, to make them struggle. Now its just - ''oh look, and pirate, lets go pew pew it fast, because my mom is waiting, i have to go eat dinner.''
Umm, Your a pirate in a lawful system, what do you expect?
A cookie and a hug? A Golden writ from the pope saying you have a deities given right to pirate there?
And its not just lawful capspam that is there. You have only addressed half of the problem. So are you going to pew pew the OC dessies that always show up, or the indie pirates that are always there in gunboats? I think not.
Nope, you wont bring balance, you will add to the problem.
The CapSpam Problem was being discussed, and I believe that the Faction leaders are the ones who should deal with it.
The Lawfuls don't always win. Perhaps some more time watching the situation would tell you this..
Formerly known as LPI Police Chief Hull O'Brien.
Creator of Sgt. V. Price, 207th Precinct out of Chula Vista Station
Im sorry for making a triple post.
Dels text:
Leading a faction has no kudos attached to it anymore, used to be faction leaders were respected but now we're all seen as monstrous oppressors of the independent populace. Added to that it's a lot of hard work for no tangible gain. The only rewards I get from leading my Rogues is the thanks of my Rogues and the lack of folks whining about my Rogues. It's largely a headache without gain. Why folks feel the need to create a faction I'll never understand. I didn't make the LR because I wanted to per se, I made it because the last one went under and Liberty without Rogues isn't right. And even then I didn't make it, Niezck did and dumped it on my head after two weeks. That was how I "lucked" into my position. Ask any competent faction leader, how much work needs doing each day before you get in game and what happens to a faction if you don't get in game and don't have Phate or Sindroms in your faction. Without leadership presence factions die. Quick.
Who sad I dont know that? Its not all flowers and bees leading it. As for now, I dont play the game, I am more concentrating on making this faction real.
The reason I made this post, was to find, if there is really any people interested enough, to help me. For now, I dont see any. I will try `till the end. Ofcourse, when I will see, that this faction really has no future, I will put it aside, as I cant keep it going all by myself.
Again, about what you sad Hack. I am not waiting for nothing. And Again, I am not trying to balance anything. About the oc dessies, we will try our best, to get them out of there... To show them, that its not really a good thing to be in liberty. If they want their pew pew action, then ill direct them to Gamma.
But really, at the end, lawfuls do always win. If you take one or two of them down, three or four others show up. Its like fighting an avalanche.
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