I am honestly finding it very hard to articulate my annoyance over this whole thing, as it has really, really made playing the rp that people have work hard for a long time to develop a difficult task. We Kusari have rp in progress and you have decided to force yourself upon us, without any discussion with us about it before hand. I find it a bit hypocritical when you come out and say how you are looking for people to rp with you, when you have absolutely disregarded the rp people have given you in Kusari.
Your ship was destroyed 5 times on it's way to Kusari. The first time it was just plain caught, no one was looking for you on the player list or anything like that, you just got caught. Flying a ship like that down the tradelanes in Shikoku tends to get you noticed. Once you have made yourself known to us, we did start looking for you, that is for one particular reason, you made yourself a pain in the ass. You completely disregarded the fact that your ship got blown up, trying to make the run again 2 hours after that, and again 2 hours after that, and so on. Finally, you found a time when no one was on, and you got your ship into Kusari, and now, instead of trying to rp with the locals, you snipe at npc's so that you can declare your grand accomplishment, striking at Kusari from within, when in fact, you have disregarded all the rp coming from our side, all the actual things that have happened in game. To sum it up, your rp is selfish here, which is why I am not surprised to see a statement like this
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I don't have a problem with feedback. But I don't have an interest in or consideration for angry rhetoric. News flash as well: The "band of brothers" over there don't "own" Kusari--its part of the entire Disco experience. I don't HAVE to rp the way the Hogosha-Dragon-Chrysanthemum-Farmers (50% of whom have chars in every Kusari faction and freely switch between them) want me to play.
Not trying to offend anyone--I'm playing my own rp which is my particular Junker and I am fine with the concerted effort to catch and destroy me--its the negative complaining that spoils it. Fact is, the Kusari players aren't the authority on how my Junker should be played--they are just the authority on how their characters should be played--and I am completely fine with that.
So basically you are saying, you dont give a damn about the rp we have going in Kusari. Which I guess is fine, but it begs the question of why we should give a damn about our rp. If you had really wanted to have a good rp experience in Kusari, instead of trying to sneak everything past everyone, both in RP and OORP (the one I have a problem with), you would have come to the Kusari leadership and talked to us about how to set up some fun rp. But instead you decided to say "screw those guys, I dont need to talk to them" and here we are. The other thing to consider from our point of view, is somehow, not only has it been your "indy" junker group, but also the .:J:. and every freaking indy Junker on the server has all of a sudden decided they want to harass Kusari. I dont think it's coincidence. I was in space tonight for three hours, I saw many more Junkers flying in Kusari, than any other ships combined, and that Jubal Early quasi-Junker, who seems to think he can go anywhere in Kusari, even though he has been declared an enemy of the state, and we have a situation where the Kusari have no time to do ANYTHING beside chase off Junkers.
Look I understand you want to have your rp, and have it all work the way you want, but what gives you the right to sacrifice our rp to make yours work? My constructive feedback for you is to try to rp with us, instead of ignoring us.
' Wrote:Look I understand you want to have your rp, and have it all work the way you want, but what gives you the right to sacrifice our rp to make yours work? My constructive feedback for you is to try to rp with us, instead of ignoring us.
Just curious...
What exactly did you sacrifice? (dont bring up other junkers into the discussion, as they obviously have nothing to do with Tinkerbell's char)
' Wrote:Just curious...
What exactly did you sacrifice? (dont bring up other junkers into the discussion, as they obviously have nothing to do with Tinkerbell's char)
First off the whole thing is one and the same. I have been told by several people lately that it just so happened that all of a sudden every Junker on the server came into Kusari. Tink is at the head of that list, and a vocal, visible leader among Junkers, where he goes they follow. It just so happens that basically all other rp going on in Kusari has had to be put aside to deal with this, as there are more Junker ships than non-junker ships in Kusari at the moment. So yes, we are sacrificing our rp, the stuff we have been working on to have to deal with this.
I find it interesting you didnt comment on anything else in the entire post I made. Yes, the Barge was blown up 5 times trying to get into Kusari, how many times did we need to blow it up to have it not get to Kusari? How many times do we have to blow it up to have it even included in Tink's rp? How is it we are supposed to stop this when everything we do is ignored by this rp? There are no options for us in this, which makes it selfish rp.
And I am really getting tired of this whole, I am only one junker thing, I had an argument with .:J:. the other night because they say they are only one group of Junkers, how can we be angry about it? Well, the problem is all you individual Junkers, are obviously working together, which takes away the whole "I am only one junker" point.
' Wrote:I find it interesting you didnt comment on anything else in the entire post I made.
Well to be honest... its because I feel you are right about the OTHER junkers.
What i have an issue with is that you claim its Tinkerbells fault,
so I wanted to know exactly what he did to make you upset like this.
Instead of crying over a broken glass of milk in a thread that he designed ONLY for positive RP and event suggestions you should review exactly how he may assist you, work with him to resolve the issue....
in PM.
Why? Because if you feel you've been done wrong, and want to invest some of your free time in fixing those
issues you shouldn't try it by igniting possible flames in this thread.
I was this close *displays a very small distance between two fingers* to misunderstanding you and might have done a stupid thing of driving this thread to the flood with my own 2 cents... it wouldn't be the right thing to do since we're both offtopic, and it would be a display of bad behavior on my side.
My feedback is to engage with the Kusari factions, not ignore them. Invite us into your rp, work with us to make it fun for both sides, so that you dont feel your getting powergamed, we dont think we are getting powergamed, you get to advance your rp, we get to advance our rp, and on the whole it is a positive experience for all of us. The first step is to discuss with us in an oorp way, what your plans are, so that we can all adjust alittle to make it work for everyone. This whole secrecy thing is a very good thing to be playing in rp, but it needs to go away oorp, we need to work together, not try and keep secrets from each other so we can get some kind of advantage. I want Tink to have a fair chance of being successful in his Kusari plans, oorp of course, but I also want the Kusari to have a fair chance to stop it. I want us all to have options, not be forced to either conform to some script, or to throw out Kusari rp as it has been being played for a good long time. The Junkers shouldnt be forced to do something that doesnt make sense to them in their rp, at the same time, Kusari shouldnt have to do things that dont make sense to them in rp. That means working together with Tink and the Kusari faction leaders to develop the story line in a way that is acceptable for all of us. I know that is hard, I know Tink has a plan and a direction he is taking this story in, and he is it's creator, I know how hard it is to let other people into that, and give them some control of the story as well, but that is the way it needs to be done, otherwise, the Kusari just end up playing pawns to Tinks dungeon master, if you get the analogy.
I can't shake the feeling something is alive in the water here. A few moments ago something brushed against my leg. Sulu is not on the bridge--now called "the super slide"--so I know its something else. I'm ordering all of the crew--along with the Klingons--to pee as much as they can into the water. Perhaps we can flush it out--whatever it is. Haha..."flush it out"...my mind is affected by the water now...water on the brain. Don't know how long I can hold out. The women look really nice here in the wet uniforms though. Perhaps Startfleet will get this data and make changes for the rest of the fleet's dress code. Will definitely improve moral. I'll order Scotty to turn the thermostats down--at least we'll drown happy then. Kirk out.
As for .:j:. suddenly harrassing kusari and working with various indie junkers - this isn't quite my understanding of it.
As for working with other junkers: I have basically no communication with any indie junkers. Say hi when we pass in space. Once I was in a group with two JSF and another .:j:., but I was in a different house and just trading. I don't have any oorp contact with indie junkers except for people who just use them as traders.
As for harassing kusari - .:j:. has, to my knowledge, been doing basically the same stuff it always has been. I think most .:j:. guys go to kusari once a month or so. I've been five times in total, only twice since the JSF started. It's small scale stuff. mostly a trader going to ainu, since we supply them and all that. The only reason that big squad came in to Shikoku the other day is because there happened to be a bunch of us online when the one in kusari got in to a fight, and it's a pretty strongly embedded notion that junkers protect each other.
The bounty has probably changed stuff in regards to kusari though, at least as far as I can tell on skype. It's basically pushing .:j:. in to kusari for a couple of reasons. The main one being the brinkmanship aspect. "Get out of kusari" translates to "lets go to kusari" when you're hearing it. The other, more gameplay related factor is that the bounty has enlisted all kinds of mercs and bounty hunters to attack .:j:.s in house space, which is where we are mostly active. What's the house without these? It's kusari! Not like it's exactly safe there, but on the whole you don't get people using oorp knowledge to hunt you down there, you're just chased off in rp. Personally, if I'm not trading with GC/BD/interspace or repfixing (the last time I went in to Kusari was just to get a BD bribe), I wouldn't go further in to Kusari than Shikoku (from Liberty) or Honshu (from Yanagi).
Given that the .:j:. skype has been fairly hot since the bounty, some kind of oorp communication on the forums about this stuff wouldn't be terrible. Kind of like those 'region skype chats' there were mooted for planning attacks, maybe there should be similar threads for discussing RP plans?
As for the whole barge thing, never seen it or anything so I don't really know what it's doing.
Before initiating a plotline which directly involves someone else and the various factions in kusari, you'd do rather well to talk to them first.
That is all I am going to say as a player.
As an admin however I have a little more to say. Tink, you started this conversation and if you don't like the turns it took or the criticism leveled at it, don't start to sabotage it by attempting to flood your own thread. That is extremely bad form. Frankly I find it wildly unfunny.
You asked for feedback and when you got feedback you didn't like it looks a little like you threw your toys out of the pram. I expect better of you.
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