I would rather say: give somthing to the people- charm them if you need more of them into your faction.
All what we see from some ,,packs,, is restrictions, kind o' childish ,,RP,, n so. If the offical factions needs more palyers than they should GIVE things. not only take and give restrictions.
If any offical faction needs members: than it should open its gates instead of whinning about stuff. If you make it too hard for a newcomer to join you than a superbattleshipcarrierjuggernoutgodknowswhat will not charm them there. It will be used by the leader and his best 2 pals, who already has enough privileges.
and one wery last thing: you cannot realyl decide the quality of rp. I know pople who is a lot more (serious) Roleplayers than some of the known forum trolls, just hates to move on the forums since Roleplayers I mean the ones who ,,learnt,, this Rp thing by tables and not while playing Diablo2 and Shadowrun on Xbox360, so the real Rpers are playing with one or a few cahracters instead of dozens, and they are more likely an actor than a bookwriter. Playing with dozens of chars on several (opposing) faction sides is somthign what is okey here but is un-imaginable under a real roleplaying event or system. You cant be DarthVader and Luke Skyloller at the same time fighting yourself unless you are ready to be laughed out by Yoda, since you are only liein on the floor of his hut fighting with your inner daemons.
I could talk about multi factioning, power gaming and meta stuffs here but that would be out of this topic: what belongs to here is: no matter that X or Y has 10 leader characters in a faction what he made with his 5 mates: they dont deserve an own superduper battleship (or ten). Just because someone thinks roleplaying looks like writeing a book instead of beeing an actor no superbattleships or megapowercoredrainer rockets would help him to become valuable or charm 10 more cannonfodder to make his faction look like a powerful one.
Admins should try to stop multi factioning and meta gamers to make the space become an RP universe instead of a ,,shooting game with basic rp included,, with adding even bigger ships to the hands of people (who are already at war with theirselves since they controlls their own enemys aswell).
Cmon. Start playing. Start some rp and a character and check what it evolves after time instead of playing on ,,both sides of the force,,. But I know till admins and people in keypositions ar doing the wery same thing noone will wait for the newcomers and noobies to realize what RP is about. They will sjtu join the faction what killed them last time. Stockholme-syndrome. That is the main rule what controlls this galaxy. Pff
yeah Link.
precisely well said...
hell this thing is so true that I have to think about it.
I would say: kewl lets rather hate each other than beenig Darthvader And Lukeloller at the same time but I guess balance needs this multi thingie....even if it destroys secrecy and RP in several cases.
But still: suprhuge battleships and special police rockets are not needed to charm people: but helpful players in the factions are. So try to help the newcomers instead of offering them a superbattlestardestroyer if they stay with us for 5+ years.
Edit: just to say something constructive:
personnal faction ships? what about this instead:
No unoffical player should have buy bigger ship than GB from a faction pile. From adding a ship form the bigger type the special faction would be able to remove a smaller one from the pile.
Example: noone but offical Rouges/Mollys will be able to buy those ships: If they add their gunboat to the pile of purchasable ships for indie factionmembers or Unoffical factions they can remove f.e. the Barghest. So than the unoffical/indie mollys and rogues should not use the Barghest but they can purchase gunboats.
Like every unoffical or indie will be look like xenos than and if they want bigger ships like a GB or a BS, they should join a faction. OFC this means more restrictions but it would end in somthing like everyone will try to join factions instead of buying Battleships than go blowing up traders, then receive a sanction and with that loosing significant time (the bs guy loose time, the trader loose time the admin loose time and the community members who read the sanction craps are loosin time aswell->noone wins a single thing unless admins LOVE to sanction but I doubt that)
Less job for admins=better game experience
OFC this thing will need serious factions and player friendly policies ( a rule of : ,,kill 666 battleships with your fighter than you can join us,, is NOT a correct request in exchange for applyin someone to a fac. but a page of background story and 10 minutes in space would show someones worthiness I guess)
Dr.Rottentanz : Although I find it extremely tempting to start a debate with you, over the many topics you've raised above, I think that all I need to say for now is simple. Spend more time around this community and things will start getting clearer.
"Quite often" is a phrase I would choose to start defending my position, however it's not "quite often" I should use, it's "Every single time!".
Every single time, a thread is started which aims, at least partly, to introduce new features to factions and their leaders/players, people, with no reason what so ever, begin pointing fingers and screaming their rights and the potential abuse.
What abuse? What misuse? Why shouldn't factions be awarded with an extra boost or their leaders given something from the community, for their dedication, support and RL sacrifice in order to make the free MMO, you and I, play a bit more enjoyable?
All of these questions don't seem to bother the "average Joe of Discovery", who loves screaming "Rights here and abuse there".
In past years, perhaps, now however, abuse and misuse of technology by factions is unheard of! Not only that it doesn't happen, but the leaders of those factions are among the best RP'ers in the Community and Server. If they don't deserve, if they ask, something special for their faction, who does?
Pointing fingers at people is easy and the ugly truth behind that finger pointing is easy to see. Non-faction players have more liberties, more freedoms and heck, even more basic rights here then faction ones do. Everyone, who for some reason decided that not being a member of faction suits him/her, has the right to do everything, to RP anything, to fly anywhere, to use every single ship (exceptions are obvious) in the mod and to interact with players, both Faction and Non-Faction ones at the same level and can expect to be treated equally.
I believe that Sindroms made the best point so far, Factions do have the ability to influence the way Disco RP resolves, something which really has no price. Dieter also fought for Factions Rights and managed to secure, a few of them. However, I'm still left with the feeling that players don't want Factions to exist and that's why they create these mock up excuses to deny them, or at least hinder greatly, any ideas connected with Factions and Additional Rights.
Get this and finally understand it - Faction Leaders are all responsible people, all of them have been around for enough time to know what to do, when to do it. Even if they do make a mistake, that is what the faction and it's members are for, to assist the leader and aid him if need be. I've been in many factions and still am a part of one of the largest ones, some of the really old ones and some which have only a couple of members. I've never met a faction leader who does what he wants, with his "buddies" and ignores the rest of the community.
Official Factions should have the ability, the right and the power to request something, which is considered needed, for their use, RP and story development.
dear Eternal:
mhm. okey flame-boy. are we from fantastic four? Can I be the Thing? or jsut call me Joe.
you can call me names, and I would do the same in exchange but I guess you dont even realize what you talked about yourself in your whole post. Unless we count the average Joe thing cause thats me.*nods*
And you are the same. We all average in the term of statistics. So just move over k?
Again thx for it. You showed how deeply you trust everyone with power and how deeply you hate the ,,averege,, community members. Pff...
BUT: IF faction leaders would request somthing thats a completely other case than to add several non-requested supertransports/superbattleships/superfighters/supercommodities without asking to every single faction.
HOW the hell could Xenos forexample build a new superbatlteship? and how could it be possible to come out 1/1 superbatlteship on each n every faction? Or it will be you as trusted community member and who is definately not an usual Joe like me to decide wich faction gets superdupers 1st?
Sure we can kneel down and open our mouths to all faction leaders since they are powerful, but talking about things and expressing out own ideas are not equal with shouting and pointing. (hell did ya even hear a single name on that post of mine? hm ?) So just please give some respect even if you dont know who am I or who you are. Or how should you behave in a community.
Get this and finally understand it (as you told from high horse): every single faction leader is a man in the same time (or a women but thats almost the same), no matter that you think they are holy angles or saints they are people and there are reasons to lead factions.
Trustworthy people. In most cases and most periods.
BUT Various reasons and various man (n women).
Individuums.
Guess in a world when the people who not belongs to the community longer than you are only averege joes there is no meaning of Individuum. Think about it.
And finally understand that noone shouted here. And I care nothing about battleships. (like *cough*)
No matter that we all know that most of the factions are lead by trustworthy people, you simply cannot say this about all of them. Its a fact. Humans. remember this term. We are all humans. With light and dark sides or whatever you wish to call it. And even the biggest saint can go envy sometimes or steal a few goldenstallions from the box of the chourch.
This whole issue should be started with one single super-battleship on a side. Like the secret hacker sypglass or so.
Than other sides will have to answer that thing and build superdupers aswell. But a miraclous appear of 30 new superduper is somthing what....well I guess you would love it right? Ever heard of Cold-war? Hm?
Well enough of that I suggest. Lets give each other some respect since I dont care your legsize or financial status in RL, so you should not push stickers on other people. Thats wery rude. Think about the issue more likely and not only praise people. They are not saint. they are humans. Like you. And me.
Still tlaking about community and calling people nobody in the community in the wery same time?
pfff..arrogancy. I hate it. Why cant we jsut dsicuss things and tell our own opinions without calling eachoter noob or so?
want somthign personnal? I dont like your sig. voila. I hope you are happy now. That girl there was made of fluor.
EDIT: ahh I see now. There is a quote here in my country and its like: ,,every saints hand points toward him,,.
yes maybe Order should be the 1st with a superduper ship. It makes sence, I have no probs with it. and I guess noone has since thats what you are doin, building even bigger and stronger ships. No probs. But cmon. How the crap would the Buncsu -branch build even a cruiser? Just think about this. Individdums. Separate stories. And different paths. This forms a community. Based on average joes. Still don't see the picture?
We're talking about giving factions ships that are APPROPRIATE in-RP for them. Which neatly destroys your entire argument. Please read next time. And use some proper punctuation and spelling.
In case you haven't noticed, it's not exactly easy to get players to join RP-heavy factions. This is why everyone wants to join outcast factions, they have the best pewpew guns and ships. When was the last time you saw a factionalized Bunduschuh around?
Factions, and the players that put hard work into them, is literally the only reason that I stick around anymore. If the server were all indies, I would leave immediately, no hesitation. The presence of factions and the good RPers in there make the game worth playing. But you say there are good indy RPers? OK, fine. But they choose to RP well. Factions are expected to RP well, and they face consequences if they don't.
I would definitely support unique ships for factions. Make them bigger, better, more capable, whatever. Just make sure that the people flying them know what is expected of them when they are flying them.
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