Gaians

[Zelot]

It's not nessesarly bad tiding, I just want to get it right in the first place. I think bluntpencils response is the way I will handle it, although I think it's out of RP, I dont really have a choice it would seem. The TAu-31 route had become stuck in my craw. As a pirate I have to get my demand across and take the ship out in about 4 seconds, and I dont want any money from the traders, their money is dirty, made on they back of the destruction of the enviroment. I understand the rules are the rules, and I am not intrested in breaking them, but I have noticed in the past this has been a place where things evolve a little through group disscustion ( for example the over/ under 1000 cargo hold rule ). Anyway I was hoping to get other peoples opinions. Another question, I it the same with the Xeno ID, that they are really pirates?

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[Jinx]

the gaians are terrorists! - BUT the terrorism happens somewhat behind freelancer scenes.

what the PLAYER adds to that is the role of the one earning the money to finance the terrorism. freelancer is not "the sims". there s no way to interact with the "normal population" of sirius.

does that make gaians pirates? no
and are players with gaian ID terrorists? no, they are pirating to finance the terrorism, which is executed by NPCs.

players can do their little share of the terrorism though. they can destroy planetform transports and scare off spa and cruise. but thats not really stopping them from exploiting the systems.

if the systems were more dynamic, it might be possible though:
destroy or prevent X amount of transports from docking at ID-14 and the red radioactive cloud might clear up one day. ( or the leeds system would be replaced with a clearer but otherwise identical version of leeds )

since its not possible - gaian players are pirates, gaian NPCs are terrorists

thats my interpretation of that ID

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[Fellow Hoodlum]

Zelot, you will find Blunts answer bloody unpopular, and pretty much a loophole I feel ... Unreasonable
in my opinion actually, like anyone is going to pay that much. Not the way to go.
As for the Xeno ID if you read it, it has enormous limitations in operation. You CAN'T pirate with it,
fighters only for attack purposes, and they really only operate in Liberty space for RP purposes.
You are welcome to lobby for change anytime you feel like it, but it doesn't automatically mean things
will happen. Democracy to a certain extent, but reality rules in the end. Roleplay over the free for all
scenario.

Hoodlum

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[DarkOddity]

I have one question regarding all this... It's not really related to the ID itself but more to the scenario in which he is speaking.. The Tau-31 route..

yes I know, I'll try not to hijack the thread.

Shouldn't the traders who are exploiting a bugged route (it's bugged because it was overlooked) be shot on site by anyone and everyone available?

Seriously, give our PVP whores a "kill" pass and make the exploiting traders regret what they are doing. That's my OOC opinion anyways.

As for a RP method of being allowed to kill them, I personally think he hit a good one on the button - but the rules unfortunately prevent that.

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[Quigs]

Since some of the "pirate" factions have a clear political axe to grind how bout giving them KOS rights if they see somebody leaving a base of their sworn enemy? (Getting a screenshot of a guy pulling out Harris with his shields down would be easy enough I'd think.) This would allow for the fact that these guys tax innocent bystanders to help fund their operations, but if you prove to them that you're aiding their enemy then the gloves are coming off.

CP

[Jinx]

Since some of the "pirate" factions have a clear political axe to grind how bout giving them KOS rights if they see somebody leaving a base of their sworn enemy? (Getting a screenshot of a guy pulling out Harris with his shields down would be easy enough I'd think.) This would allow for the fact that these guys tax innocent bystanders to help fund their operations, but if you prove to them that you're aiding their enemy then the gloves are coming off.

CP

a lot of what "might be good roleplay" is restricted due to a heavy set of rules. most of them for a good reason. i think kill-on-sight would work for combatants meeting in mid space or so. but certainly not when someone is not in posession of control when he leaves a docking collar.
but i do believe that a sworn enemy faction ( provided the ID is scanned ) can be attacked without much of an announcement. in the end, i can hardly imagine a pirate to make a speech before he engaged an enemy - unless its a holliwood movie where villains tend to talk way too much anyway.

so as a gaian, i would support
- destruction of a transport that had terraform gases loaded ( as if that would ever happen ) - allthough i d rather like them to ask the pilot to jettison the cargo and then destroy it.
- destruction and attack without asking for money if another player is tagged & IDed with planetform ID
- allthough they are enemies, i don t think gaians would destroy a cruise liner though, even if spa and cruise is a sworn enemy. but maybe i just view gaians more harmless than others do - when it comes to going on a kill spree *cough* xenos...

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[Quigs]

Jinx> but certainly not when someone is not in posession of control when he leaves a docking collar.

Heh. I wasn't suggesting that. I was just saying it was a good time to get your photo evidence of wrong-doing (doing business with the enemy) before he got control of his ship and then you could shoot whatever you had in the 4 seconds before he lands on McDuff:)

CP

[Zelot]

The problem I have is I want to RP a gaian terrorist, I dont want to roam all over siruis killing random players, I would stick to gaian areas, Endenbourogh, Tau-31, Newcastle and leeds, I dont want to kill random ships, traders who trade with harris would be helping planetform to destroy harris, and therefor should be considered hostile to gaians anyway. At any rate and I dont want to follow blunts idea, It is out of RP, but there doesnt seem to be anyother way to play it. You think a gaian would say ok if you give me money I'll let you keep destroying the enviroment, i dont think so, so the pirate aspect of the gaians seems to hinder RP instead of enhance it.

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[bluntpencil2001]

In case anyone missed it, my 'asking for a billion' was a joke. It's a cheap loophole, but then again, I have used it in Tau-31 with the best of intent.

"You need a license to carry prisoners to MacDuff due to the GDD outbreak."

"Lolz, h0w much?"

"Oh, for you? A billion."

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[Juan_Arquero]

...As for the Xeno ID if you read it, it has enormous limitations in operation. You CAN'T pirate with it,
fighters only for attack purposes, and they really only operate in Liberty space for RP purposes...

Hoodlum

Hoodlum: Really? I'm relatively new to the server and forums, so maybe you can explain why I saw the following incident. On September 19, I saw a Xenos-tagged player (plagueFEAR) attack multiple players in Sigma-13, near one of the major stations (probably Gas Miner Naha). During the attack, my shields were damaged (even though I was below rank 29, I had not opened fire, nor was I grouped), so I returned fire on plagueFEAR, believing that he was the culprit. The losses I suffered from using my supply of shield batteries were more than recovered when I picked up loot remaining after plagueFEAR was killed. However, I was annoyed (and I protested in system channel) that I was attacked in violation of server rules. I don't know if plagueFEAR had a Xeno ID, nor do I remember which ship he had, though I think it was a fighter. Shortly after that, I saw plagueFEAR attack Feenix.Shipping who was flying a Whale. After plagueFEAR damaged Feenix.Shipping, I saw the latter say "If it's money you want, I can give it to you." While plagueFEAR denied wanting money, I saw them close together (so a transfer was probably taking place), then plagueFEAR left without killing Feenix.Shipping, which to me is strong circumstantial evidence that plagueFEAR pirated Feenix.Shipping.

Anyway, I guess somebody must have slipped some cardamine into my drinks on Gas Miner Naha, because Xenos don't pirate and never leave Liberty space.:crazy:

Juan_Arquero