' Wrote:I went along rule 6.9, which said that if my ID says I could do something but the rules were against it, ID > Rules, in this case engaging to protect a trader. Then I was told that I was wrong. Yes, I was in the wrong then and I admit it.
Then dont go around saying how you play fast and loose with the rules and dont get sanctioned and wear it like a badge of honor.
Quote:Yet, I still see people going around, threatening ''ME, ME, ME, IF YOU DON'T PLAY ALONG MY RULES BAD STUFF WILL HAPPEN''. We are not robots, and I while I do like your roleplay, you're not the only one roleplaying here. We're not robots that can only do tasks they were assigned (Unless you've got an AI ID! <.< ) Yet I am curious, and I'd like to ask you all,
What you're describing here is powerplay/metagaming. People use it to do what they want and effect other people, wether they want to or not. Like you sitting a bar and getting second hand smoke and subsequently cancer.
Personally, I have no problem if someone justifies the char's actions in-RP. E.g., if someone with <insert ID that can't ally with nomads (almost any)> RPs that his char is allied to the nomads (if that is really RPed of course, not just "Dun touch the nommie, or I kill you"), I don't mind him engaging me at some point (yeah, I'm speaking about that case with my =LSF=). In theory, two rules collide ("all attacks must be results of some role-play" vs. "ID rules come first"), but I'd stick to the first rule (however, others may or may not have the same attitude). Actually, I doubt I'd bother filing a report anyway (even if the RP was like "Dun touch the nommie, or I kill you", I'd simply defend myself). In role-play vs rule-play I choose the first (unless something is clearly against the rules: e.g., cruisers/battleships vs transportsners/freigthers).
Also, remember the short TCG-Order war. Nobody was sanctioned, if I'm correct. It depends on the players and their preferences. If someone is willing to find an in-RP way out of the situation, then there will be no sanctions.
' Wrote:I believe that a good example is the LE/LaBrise feud. LaBrise is Unione Corse ID'd, and LE has Brigand ID. Both of them will kill each others on sight, but are supposed to be allied because of reputations. If, say, a GRN is shooting at a LE, the LaBrise will not help the LE, but will instead assist the GRN. That goes against nature of some points, yet I believe is justified by the feud.
LaBrise-LE hostilities are the result of agreement made by LaBrise and IDF (that is completely in-RP: you do your job, we do our raids). This is more than simple RP, it's already faction diplomacy. Note: this may or may not be +LE+ leadership's position, that's just my own attitude. However, I doubt that they have problems with it as well.
[8:32:45 PM] Dusty Lens: Oh no, let me get that. Hello? Oh it's my grandma. She says to be roleplay.
[12:49:19 AM] Elgatodiablo: You know its nice that you have all that proof and all, Bacon... but I just don't believe you.
I have to agree with Dancing Lady, so as those who say that rules should affect all without exception. Is that a contradiction? Than I have to expand.
If you have a roleplay reason to break a rule, make sure that the other party (parties) aware of that and accept it. If you have the slightest doubt, it's the best to ask for an OOC confirmation in pm. And get a screenshot of it, just to be sure.
It happened to me before that a cruiser was shooting my transport. It was a conclusion of a chatter when we both formed a picture of the other's crew, and it was obvious that the situation will lead to a fight - even before in two brief lines me and the other player agreed on that that's all right.
But what's the situation with an Outcast battleship in Liberty spotted by the rogues? Everyone knows they shoot those down if they come that far. As far as I know even the OC leaders accept that if a captain of theirs makes a mistake so crucial. Would you report the rogues? Would they get sanctioned if someone did?
' Wrote:Without some rules, we have anarchy. As such, we need the rules. So whats the point of rules if you dont have to follow them. Aside from that, it gives the impression that admins play favorites. If you dont apply the rules even handedly, there is no point in having rules, but as I said, we need rules. Conclusion, you shouldn't be able to break the rules, even if your RP justifies it.
If people can govern themselves then they can and should. Weird as it is to say this I agree with Dan for once.
I remember when I was forced to shot other Morph on my Morph by Phantoms. And when I in PM told him I can't do that (because of Mprph ID rules), he told me "RP over rules."
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