The recent showing of hogosha fleets in Bretonia

[Hancock]

To sum up, Kusari owns Leeds, our ships will be there, be they KNF, Hogosha, KPT or AFA

They might do, from their own point of view, right? Technically, the Bretonians own a greater percentage of Leeds, since they have a planet guarded by a battleship and a mining station which produces MOX fuel (guarded by another battleship), as well as access to three different system gates (Newcastle, Edinburgh and New London), whereas the Kusari have a smelting station, and an outpost near system gate to Tau 31, guarded by a battleship. It's still a war zone, with the odds being in favor of the Bretonians, so sending in great amounts of non-military personnel in the area is not a bright tactical move for Kusari.

But that's just me.

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[Coral Reaver]

Hogosha in Leeds is acceptable given their connections to the Gaians and interest for Kusari as a whole.

But if a overzealous Kusari patriot or two would like to help their house, it should be in Leeds, not further into Bretonia. Such job should be left to specialized infiltration forces. Like the SIS or the Kempeitai. Although you can take me down for being biased, naturally since I lead a Kempeitai Faction and of course, I cannot speak without being in favour of my own team.

I would view the Hogosha Pilots deciding to help on the front-lines of Leeds as a militia force. They aren't trained for the job and they rely on semi-militarized equipment, but they are willing to fight for their house and that should be a valid argument.

I would also compare it to Xenos fighting in Bering/Hudson Front-Lines or Red Hessians vice-versa.

Xenos being the best example since they are also the Liberty Patriot Counterpart, doing practically the same thing against Rheinlanders.

All right I'll make this simple. As of late myself and many others in BAF, HMS, etc etc....Have witnessed a flood of Hogosha pilots inside Bretonia recently...Almost to a point we see more of them then KNF any given day...

Now my belief is that they should stay in Kusari house space only...But what are your thoughts?

My opinion:

Using Player-Piloted Ships numbers as an argument circulating general Role-Play and Faction Lore is in my opinion not valid. You cannot claim that because you have personally found facing more Hogosha players than KNF players, that there are more Hogosha pilots than KNF pilots in Role-Play fighting the Bretonians in the war, and use it as an argument for them to stay in Kusari Space.

Secondly that is a personal perspective, I might or someone else might claim otherwise, that they see more KNF/IKN than Hogosha Players. I would say that, since that's the truth I see.

I'd say this situation doesn't make sense (it's comparable to Junkers or Mollies raiding New Tokyo, which are ludicrous and silly ideas, respectively), but everyone knows I know absolutely nothing about Freelancer.

Junkers yes, sadly restricted by their ID to commit piracy. Although I'm not sure what it says about general combat.

Mollies, not really. If you compare to the Hogosha, they have no close place to base their operations, and in your example, they are attacking the heart of Kusari, their Capital System. The Hogosha on the other hand are participating on a front-line that is even divided in terms of friendly/hostile control. They can also with the permission from the Gaians, base their attacks from there, or use nearby KNF stations. I believe Kusari would definitely be a house, given their relationship with Hogosha, to allow them to help their war-efforts.

[n00bl3t]

Hogosha in Leeds is acceptable given their connections to the Gaians and interest for Kusari as a whole.

But if a overzealous Kusari patriot or two would like to help their house, it should be in Leeds, not further into Bretonia. Such job should be left to specialized infiltration forces. Like the SIS or the Kempeitai. Although you can take me down for being biased, naturally since I lead a Kempeitai Faction and of course, I cannot speak without being in favour of my own team.

I would view the Hogosha Pilots deciding to help on the front-lines of Leeds as a militia force. They aren't trained for the job and they rely on semi-militarized equipment, but they are willing to fight for their house and that should be a valid argument.

I would also compare it to Xenos fighting in Bering/Hudson Front-Lines or Red Hessians vice-versa.

Xenos being the best example since they are also the Liberty Patriot Counterpart, doing practically the same thing against Rheinlanders.

Actually, if anyone singled you out for a bias post it would be on the basis of that Yakuza group you made a while back. (And disbanded?)

Red Hessians want a revolution, and to do that they need to overthrow the Rheinland government. The Liberty government would be worse and harder to overthrow.

In the case of the Xenos, absolutely stunned to be honest. I remember reading some bar rumour that the Xenos are being pushed back heavily by the LPI or something. Perhaps they are using it to hammer at foreign shipping, but it sounds off.

Also, remember that the examples you have given are not controlled, oversighted or influenced per se by their house's government, meanwhile, the Hogosha are. The Hogosha are meant to be guardians of the Kusari society by lore, not soldiers on the front line.

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[Coral Reaver]

Actually, if anyone singled you out for a bias post it would be on the basis of that Yakuza group you made a while back. (And disbanded?)

Disbanded, I don't own or am part of any Hogosha organization at current date. In fact the Yakuza disbanded almost half a year ago. Some former members were transferred to the BDS since they wanted to stay. Others went their own way.

Red Hessians want a revolution, and to do that they need to overthrow the Rheinland government. The Liberty government would be worse and harder to overthrow.

That's understandable.

In the case of the Xenos, absolutely stunned to be honest. I remember reading some bar rumour that the Xenos are being pushed back heavily by the LPI or something. Perhaps they are using it to hammer at foreign shipping, but it sounds off.

XA- have participated in numerous occasions in the Bering/Hudson front-lines between RM/LN. In fact they were even welcomed by both parties during the Official Events of said war. I know because back then I was in [LN].

Also, remember that the examples you have given are not controlled, oversighted or influenced per se by their house's government, meanwhile, the Hogosha are.

Valid point. But at the same time one must understand the relationship between Hogosha and the Kusari Government, which is a lot different than Xenos - Liberty Government or Red Hessians - Rheinland Government.

The current Emperor is also heavily in favour of Hogoshans, not something that was made up today for me to establish a new argument. In fact from the Kempeitai's perspective that favour has lead to several internal problems.

[Zelot]

Actually, if anyone singled you out for a bias post it would be on the basis of that Yakuza group you made a while back. (And disbanded?)

Red Hessians want a revolution, and to do that they need to overthrow the Rheinland government. The Liberty government would be worse and harder to overthrow.

In the case of the Xenos, absolutely stunned to be honest. I remember reading some bar rumour that the Xenos are being pushed back heavily by the LPI or something. Perhaps they are using it to hammer at foreign shipping, but it sounds off.

Also, remember that the examples you have given are not controlled, oversighted or influenced per se by their house's government, meanwhile, the Hogosha are. The Hogosha are meant to be guardians of the Kusari society by lore, not soldiers on the front line.

Kusari considers Leeds their territory, of course they are going to send their thugs there. Get Life.

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[n00bl3t]

Valid point. But at the same time one must understand the relationship between Hogosha and Kusari Government, which is a lot different than Xenos - Liberty Government or Red Hessians - Rheinland Government.

Oh yes, the relationship and trust is there. Samura and the Hogosha helped overthrow Hideyoshi.

Point is, why would the protectors of the Kusari way of life leave to the front lines, when Kusari is winning the war?

Kusari considers Leeds their territory, of course they are going to send their thugs there. Get Life.

It is hard to have trust in the people looking after the rules and enforcing them, when they break them so openly.

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[Coral Reaver]

Oh yes, the relationship and trust is there. Samura and the Hogosha helped overthrow Hideyoshi.

Point is, why would the protectors of the Kusari way of life leave to the front lines, when Kusari is winning the war?

Nice signature. Yes I left the [LN] about a month ago, that account was tied to its Role-Play. News broadcast made and approved by the [LN] HC has lead to the death of that character due to an assassination attempt against David Hale hence the removed name-change. No further Role-Play use for Zanders, he is dead afterall.

Anyways, the point is that Kusari Government wouldn't mind extra help.

[Zelot]

Oh yes, the relationship and trust is there. Samura and the Hogosha helped overthrow Hideyoshi.

Point is, why would the protectors of the Kusari way of life leave to the front lines, when Kusari is winning the war?

Why not? We send Samura and Kishiro into Dublin, they are Kusari companies, why not the Hogosha which is a Kusari company.

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[n00bl3t]

Anyways, the point is that Kusari Government wouldn't mind extra help.

Fair enough.

Personally I do not mind so much in terms of PVP. I play both sides and have no problems shooting either.

It just seems off, but considering all in all, nothing will happen about it, so this is a waste of a thread.

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[Zelot]

It is hard to have trust in the people looking after the rules and enforcing them, when they break them so openly.

Was that ontopic, or just your normal snarkyness? I only ask so I know if I should respond.

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