Quick note regarding Court Cases

[Reverend Del]

You've had a year to appeal, or ask for laws in the very case you're raging against. Why now, when it appears the case hasn't gone away like you'd hoped, do you choose to kick up a fuss?

Do you honestly expect the various House representatives to draw up full legal systems, just so you can avoid paying your sentence?

In this case you have no defense anyway. the CR slandered the IND claiming they'd faked a contract, one in which CR members participated. So yeah, whether or not there is a system in place, you're still guilty. Man up and pay your dues.

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[globalplayer-svk]

Smuggling law etc is all well and fine as it actually is written on the forums.

Where are the laws regarding slander on the forums?
Or any kind of Corporate Law for that matter?

Where are even the laws regarding mistrials/witnesses/anything other than what's ingame?

If we only have laws for ingame actions, how can you have a court case for out of game actions?

so basically what you are saying is that because all houses here have not on forums laws that are total complete
which taked in real life lot of years for every country to finalize, then you are out of all ???

and smuggling law,,,

when i never readed it on forum i am out of it?or when i never jump on forums i am out of it?nowhere ingame it is typed and noone who chat me ingame can provide me ingame these laws ....
so?

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[globalplayer-svk]

That is true but then you have to classify everything to do with it, all the clauses and defenses for it.

If a person rapes another inRP here, they are charged with rape.
A woman in the UK cannot be charged with rape.
Rape requires penile penetration, which a woman can't do, therefore a woman can never rape another person.

If we went on common sense, they could.

These are the important things though, where is the precedent regarding evidence?
Where are the laws regarding anything other than smuggling etc?
A Rheinland Government official swore at me and threatened to kill me.
Here are the transcripts from the forum.
I am claiming 20 billion credits.
He has no defense.
Yet in nearly every law system, there are defenses, even if they are only partial defenses.
Are forum messages good enough evidence? Do I have a dodgey background that could cause doubt in my testimony?
Can you even be charged credits for verbal abuse?

It's simple bloody powergaming to throw imaginary laws at people and then expect them to defend themselves, while refusing to give them these imaginary laws.

ok linkus, so please provide me laws by all factions that you are member, that are aproved by slovakia goverment otherwise when i meet you ingame i am refusing to rp with you because slovakia goverment has not aproved that, i just kill your char because i have no idea who your chars are and what diplomacy they have towards my characters...

basically what you are refering ....

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[Zelot]

Poor CR. Would we be having this discussion if you had won the case? I think not.

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[Snozzz]

i think you have a valid point. if its not 'space' related it doesnt exist. i do think commercial law exists in some form within factions ie USI but it is of the 'imaginary guns' type as you said and for stocks and shares.

Denny Crane
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[CzeReptile]

You've had a year to appeal, or ask for laws in the very case you're raging against. Why now, when it appears the case hasn't gone away like you'd hoped, do you choose to kick up a fuss?

Do you honestly expect the various House representatives to draw up full legal systems, just so you can avoid paying your sentence?

In this case you have no defense anyway. the CR slandered the IND claiming they'd faked a contract, one in which CR members participated. So yeah, whether or not there is a system in place, you're still guilty. Man up and pay your dues.

Dear Del,

do me a favor and read the topic.
Ive asked for vairous things throughout the entire "case". Im a bloody RL lawyer you know. Im not some dumb twit taking pic from Boston legal thinking they can sue me.

Fail on Liberty side. If Admins side with it, fail on yours. How many of you are lawyers?
None.

Great.

Now use common sense in your law system, not in mine. Unless its written, you can wee yourselfs.

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[Linkus]

You've had a year to appeal, or ask for laws in the very case you're raging against. Why now, when it appears the case hasn't gone away like you'd hoped, do you choose to kick up a fuss?

Do you honestly expect the various House representatives to draw up full legal systems, just so you can avoid paying your sentence?

In this case you have no defense anyway. the CR slandered the IND claiming they'd faked a contract, one in which CR members participated. So yeah, whether or not there is a system in place, you're still guilty. Man up and pay your dues.

Please, for the love of god, point me to the laws that govern slander in Liberty?
Specifically, the evidence required, the location of slander taking place, the damage to public image, the relevant punishments/resolutions.

There is a huge defense here, that it wasn't slander.
Who's to say the contract wasn't faked?
The IND bloody own the neural net, how could that not be conflict of interest?

If we're applying common sense, the people who own the neural net could very easily have made up everything.

There are no checks and balances available, when we asked for the laws to be given to us we were basically told to go away.

There are always defenses, to every allegation and every accusation.
You are never automatically fully guilty, ever.

Law is entirely about wording and about how things are written.
Common sense does not come into it, the written law and precedent is all that matters.
Without any written law, how the hell can someone even be brought to trial?
You need to reference the laws to even do that. Yet the laws don't exist.

I don't give a toss about it being between the CR and IND, they are just factions.
I do give a toss about it being blatant powergaming.

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[Knjaz]

Just read the original thread that started this.
So, Common Sense and real-life comparsions? Ok, let's take a look at RL.

3 billions? 400 millions?
I don't know if there were any real damage to IND in terms of credits, but lets look at United States.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States..._law#References

Between 1992 and August 2004, 41 criminal defamation cases were brought to court in the United States, among which six defendants were convicted. From 1965 to 2004, 16 cases ended in final conviction, among which nine resulted in jail sentences (average sentence, 173 days). Other criminal cases resulted in fines (average fine, 1700 USD), probation (average of 547 days), community service (on average 120 hours), or writing a letter of apology.[12]

(that is, if it was defamation. I'm cba to read all of that.)

[Rommie]

Poor CR. Would we be having this discussion if you had won the case? I think not.

Of course we would of. It's the sides that would of been switched.

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[Zelot]

Dear Del,

do me a favor and read the topic.
Ive asked for vairous things throughout the entire "case". Im a bloody RL lawyer you know. Im not some dumb twit taking pic from Boston legal thinking they can sue me.

Fail on Liberty side. If Admins side with it, fail on yours. How many of you are lawyers?
None.

Great.

Now use common sense in your law system, not in mine. Unless its written, you can wee yourselfs.

Ah. So the CR can use whatever underhanded and sneaky tactics you want, but no one can do anything about it? Seems to me that the last number of posts I have seen from the CR relate to the CR not wanting to deal with the inrp results of the CR screwing half of Sirius over and over and over. You make your bed, now sleep in it.

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