Since DSE was dragged into this, I am Katie.
DSE HQ didn't actually know about these deals as per-say.
Hellfire don't see Liberty corps as bad, as far as I am aware - so I don't see a problem.
They are after their support to overthrow the government, correct?
Katie was providing some roleplay for this - after all it is a roleplay game.
Katie is likely to be arrested and done for treason after the last message to DSE.
If this happens, cool. Otherwise the more likely option is that I might look at some sort of extraction and joining up with the HF guys.
The Hellfire haven't like Junkers for a rather long time. And I honestly doubt your little group will change a thing there.
Now, a bit of dreaded feedback for the DW group.
Stop taking feedback so personally. It isn't an attack on you as an individual or a group.
It is something that people see that you might need to work on - so take it as constructive rather then self destructing every single time someone says anything. You guys are killing your own faction by doing this.
You guys could potentially be a good group, but you need to stop getting your back up over every single thing anyone says.
One good thing I can say is that I have nothing to complain about from the one or two times i have briefly come into contact with you in game - it's more your attitude here on the forums that I have the issue with.
Anyway. What I'm pretty much saying is that If you can't handle the feedback, either join up to a few other factions and learn how to RP and run a group well - or request this thread get removed so you don't have to hear others thoughts (the latter option here really defeats the purpose of opening a feedback thread to begin with.... but may be necessary in this case)
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Lets get one thing clear here. I am merely providing feedback of stuff you may wish to look at and get sorted. I am not part of the Hellfire so don't go accusing me. Oh, please. Don't get personal ether because i can make this very personal. So, lets start.
(04-11-2014, 01:20 PM)Lucas Stone Wrote: Look what Drakes Wolves does behind everyone's back's is none of your buisness!
I didn't say it was ours, BUT you need to keep to the standard Hellfire RP and relations. Junkers are unfriendly to Hellfire. So why are you carrying on with business?
Quote:Next lets see, Warhammer dont dictate terms to us!
Try to learn to cooperate. Quite frankly, from what i see you guys are going ape because someone has given their opinion? Like the whole post you write, the one i am quoting?
Quote:Both me and Arbi1_2_3 know he was screwing around...so let me make this clear, he jumped in a hellfire the minute i logged on...by all accounts he plays as Navy not hellfire...he knew the response he would get for firing on the base and attacking me...your argument is what exactly?
Everything, yes EVERYTHING is InRP (In Role Play, just incase you didn't know that) so if two guys are fighting and another guy comes and views it, he doesn't know whats happening. In this case, DW was seen to attack the Hellfire Indi. The Hellfire Indi apparently wasn't returning fire. IT DOESN'T matter what you was doing OORP because It's a ROLE PLAY server. In Role play, Hellfire was found shooting Hellfire so thus it would be reported.
Quote:That i was wrong...your right...im wrong for reason alone...actually doing something lol your rp and oorp is great isnt it!
Quite frankly you find good enough ways to dodge questions being asked. Take a good look at yourself, read the standard Hellfire Lore AND their relations. Quite frankly, i've RPed with the DW several times and it was horrible. Was ether filled with No ROLE PLAY shooting or OUT OF ROLE PLAY encounters where as I've also RPed with the [HF] and i've not had such an incident yet.
Quote:Your pilot seemed to think he had some right to start questioning us...as if he or you have any right to dictate how we move forward as a Hellfire Group!
Questioning and Dictating are completely different things. EVERYONE and EVER CHARACTER HAS the right to QUESTION people. Because somebody has QUESTIONED you does not mean that they are trying to control you. People ARE allowed to question and ask what is happening. You're NEVER going to stop that. If you want it to stop, then leave.
Quote:Go work on your hellfire stuff..if you want to call it that? DSE really funny teaming up with a Lib Lawful??? Sorry pot calling the kettle black.
You obviously haven't read the lore or standard Rep sheet. Hellfire as a whole DO NOT attack CIVILIANS. Yes, Civilian corporations should be warray about the Hellfire but you can get relationships like that. DSE and Hellfire DO NOT consider each other HOSTILE. You get other encounters like this ingame. Take a look at OS&C. They have good relationships with the Corsairs (I think it's them) and do deals with them because they are on FRIENDLY terms.
Quote:As for your stance on any matter i take it with a pinch of salt, as i see it Warhammer cant be trusted to be anything but other than untrustworthy, bullying etc etc
This her is a complete OORP (Out of Role Play) hate. War Hammer have tried to negotiate deals but Drake wolves, as a whole, have been far to greedy and want more than they can get.
Quote:.dont come here on this feed back then expect us to be civil. You have made no effort to be civil other than find faults or create them in your own fantasy world.
I have said nothing offensive. I have suggested that you need to look at things pointed to you WITH evidence. You need to open your eyes and ask yourself "Are we doing the right things?" Then come back, evaluate and act on what's been said. You guys, the DW leadership, are getting to worked up about this. If you guys can't take advice, disband, or go quietly.
Quote:To summarise your a joke! You fail because first you havent a clue what were doing, why were doing it and infact you dont even know what your doing!
I can say the same thing about you. Take the heed that everyone is giving you. ACT upon their SUGGESTIONS. I suggest you do. To say that i don't know what i am doing is completely wrong. You guys need to open your eyes. I don't think you thought of this move to Hellfire every well, did you?
Quote:What made me laugh is you trying to justify your action or asking us to point out your faults...i dont need to...everyone see's it!
This just shows how childish you guys can be. I mean really? GROW UP. It's a game. Make a sandwich and then come back, think about what you have done and then act upon it! Is it really that hard?
Quote:No need to respond as i see it would be a waste of my time to even carry on this arguement!
Tough. You got one.
Quote:You start being civil in-game and on comm's then im willing to listen...otherwise forget it.
Open your eyes. People are, you take things the completely wrong way. Your post just goes to show that.
Its not that i dont want feed back...its the nature of the feed back from certain individual's...they have made it their mission at every turn to how shall i say it....aim to stop us moving forward.
I realise that sometimes it comes across that im in a bad mood, but in all...i try to stay positive, but the fact is...i would like nothing more to get on with Warhammer but not at this time and nn im displeased with their lack of civility...
Let me explain...oorp they can make judgements on what im doing...inrp they dont know what im doing...if lets say i sat down with their commander and had a good chat regarding issue's inrp then certain things would be revealed to him and then to Warhammer...atm i have a long winded rp plan...the reason im not saying what it is...is simple...while we all try to pretend inrp not to know..oorp we do if were told....so that would effect certain choices certain factions make...which in the secret world of the Hellfire would stop their plan's.
When Hellfire was setup it was a great thing when the official faction was about...their I.D. gave them alot of people to shoot at...the current one, hamper's efforts in many way's...Drakes Wolves might never be official prob not...but we have a diff out look on the way our Hellfire group wants to proceed to objective...which is to over throw the Liberty Goverment....while oorp people might not approve..inrp they shouldnt judge us harshly...infact if Warhammer had played inrp there would have been instead of this rubbish...a bond of friendship not rivalry.
Edit:
Have read the current HF I.D.?
Does the current HF I.D. say were enemies of the Junker's?
Identification: Pilot carrying this ID is a member of the Hellfire Legion, who :
May Treat any ship belonging to Liberty Police, Liberty Navy and Liberty Secuirty Force as combat targets
Can attack Liberty Rogue's, Lane Hacker's and Outcast within the Liberty House Space
Cannot engage freighter's and Transports unless in self-defence.
Cannot ally with Liberty Lawful's
Cruisers and battleships cannot leave Liberty space and the bordering Independent Worlds,
Cannot use any Transport that has more than 3,600 cargo.
The problem with your arguement regarding us...is what? So your saying a i can login to a Navy restart and start attacking navy pilots and lib bases...but thats fine?
Their suggestions arnt suggestions, im sure we can agree...as for the lore you speak of....were not allowed to use it! Because that is Warhammer's lore...hence my re-write but then i gather that hasnt been read by any of the current Warhammer..or if it has then the reason they demanded to have the right to build upon La Paz is because we had done so already...oorp or inrp i cant figure it out...read this...
Now tell me did core one say after i had written the agreement that we both dicussed? 'Fine... Except few things... La Paz is automated storage. So it's nice you'd like to give us your office, but we don't need it.
All fine now.
~Executor'
read it all please and ask yourself how would a Commander react? Then ask yourself why did they suddenly want to 'La Paz depot will be expanded by us and will get an added personal storage unit for [HF] to use, because an office is not needed on an automated station with no life support systems.'
when they had read our lore and plans...no i think oorp/inrp went hand in hand.
Quote:I didn't say it was ours, BUT you need to keep to the standard Hellfire RP and relations. Junkers are unfriendly to Hellfire. So why are you carrying on with business?
Just because it has been this way before doesn't mean that with Role Play that this can't be changed given time. In the Game a lot of Relations have been changed with RP. Samura is now allowed to trade within Bretonia. Some Outcasts are trying to get on better terms with Gallia. Everything is generally acceptable within this Game given time and RP.
HF ID does allow you to Trade with Kusari. Samura, Kishiro and GMG are not hostile to you. Neither are Zoners and Corsairs. Bretonia is slightly unfriendly but you are not on the Shoot to Kill orders within Bretonia (the old HF used to transit through Bretonia regularly). There is nothing stopping you trying to get on more friendly terms with other Groups, so go out there and try.
Don't let the 'well that is the way it always been' brigade stop you from trying. Not everything is set in stone. But you must accept that certain things are eg. Having an enemy such as LN.
'I would like to be half as clever as some people like to believe they are' Life is full of disappointments, it is how we handle them that helps to define us, as a person
Quote:I didn't say it was ours, BUT you need to keep to the standard Hellfire RP and relations. Junkers are unfriendly to Hellfire. So why are you carrying on with business?
Just because it has been this way before doesn't mean that with Role Play that this can't be changed given time. In the Game a lot of Relations have been changed with RP. Samura is now allowed to trade within Bretonia. Some Outcasts are trying to get on better terms with Gallia. Everything is generally acceptable within this Game given time and RP.
HF ID does allow you to Trade with Kusari. Samura, Kishiro and GMG are not hostile to you. Neither are Zoners and Corsairs. Bretonia is slightly unfriendly but you are not on the Shoot to Kill orders within Bretonia (the old HF used to transit through Bretonia regularly). There is nothing stopping you trying to get on more friendly terms with other Groups, so go out there and try.
Don't let the 'well that is the way it always been' brigade stop you from trying. Not everything is set in stone. But you must accept that certain things are eg. Having an enemy such as LN.
Yes agreed LN etc will always be enemies, how could they not be
Thanks we will continue to develop our own Hellfire take...i hadnt explored the Kusari avenue..thanks for the info Bretonia would be a tough shell to crack, i think we would get a negative from them...though doesnt stop us trying...
With respect to Junkers, I personally could see them being possibly an ally to HF. The reason for this would be because of the way Liberty have recently treating them. I am sure they would probably like to secretly get back at Liberty by supplying a thorn in Liberty's side. Junkers are basically your neighbours. They also have access to a multitude of resources.
Having Trade Agreements with Groups who are enemies to each other is widely accepted within the Game.
Liberty is at war with Rheinland but Bretonia, an ally of Liberty, still trades with Rheinland. It seems as though Trade Agreements, within this Game, is a way to circumnavigate certain Alliances. Even before Gallia attacked Bretonia, Bretonia was still Trading with Rheinland. I am sure, in real terms, Liberty would have really peeved with Bretonia for effectively helping keep Rheinlands Military going and vice versa.
'I would like to be half as clever as some people like to believe they are' Life is full of disappointments, it is how we handle them that helps to define us, as a person
(04-11-2014, 01:57 PM)Snoopyman Wrote: By the way, ignoring the FEEDBACK i give you just shows that you lot are childish are are not willing to take feedback
Talking about ignoring feedback ? Because I recall something...Anyway, Its you who demand things even though you dont deserve them, its you who crawl on every chance you get to point fingers like a tumor. What did the D-W do to deserve that kind of punishment, nothing. So please, Ive respected your feedback page, do the same.
Guys, by any chance, couldn't you just apply this uncooperative separatist attitude on an NPC faction which has a lore actually allowing (if not supporting) such behavior? You know, like Corsairs, Outcasts, Rogues, Brigands, Corse, Junkers, etc? I'm fairly certain you'd have less ooRP crap to deal with and less ooRP not-so-positive feedback to take as a personal attack.
Alternatively, you could have chosen a generic ID if you want to be sooo independent.
(04-11-2014, 01:48 PM)Lucas Stone Wrote: ...
Have read the current HF I.D.?
Does the current HF I.D. say were enemies of the Junker's?
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Faction X can have a very unfriendly or even hostile relationship with Faction Y, yet not explicitly have that faction listed as a target on their ID, if specifically targeting Y is not part of X's modus operandi. This is the case with the Hellfire Legion and Junkers: HF knows the Junkers are dirty and they don't really put up with that any more, but they do realise that trying to hunt them down isn't an effective solution to minimise organised crime in the long term. That, at least, is the current status quo, and it remains to be seen if that will change or not. Please take note that this extremely unfriendly relationship is taken into account by a mutual negative rephack.
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