The big cloak swindle

[Techpriest]

Now imagine if Cloaks were sold at NPC stations. You would need to get ~200M to buy Light Cloak. By trading how Xoria designed, mining as designed by FL Hookers, pirating like a boss or hunting like a pro. Same activity.

Interesting word choice there. I wonder where can you could find some Freelancing Hookers around here.

[AceofSpades]

I do that already. I trade on my Ageira char to buy Cloak for my LNS char. I don't even need PoB. But money changes hands that's the problem. If those 200M for cloak would be wasted on NPC, that creates actual running economy.

If ye waste those credits on an NPC, then some random Ageira has been grinding on his own to get another char a cloak, and interacts with the NPC to do it.
-Basically SP with a cashtransfer command
This method offers little opportunity to build Roleplay or interact with others.

If ye trade in that manner, but still have to buy the Cloak thru a vendor. Then at the very least, all Roleplay tossed aside, you still have to contact another Player and arrange a transaction, even if its done in the laziest and ooRP manner possible.
-MP interaction required, even by the laziest of buyers.
This method offers a myriad of opportunities to improve upon the minimal necessary interaction.

Unless ye just dont want to provide Device manufacturers work to do, game/roleplay to have, and things to sell... then it shouldn't matter where the credits go. Some folks enjoy building the stuff more than shooting it.



Edit: much lawl @ Techpriest, +1 for Freelancing Hookers around Sirius

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[5:57:11 PM] InfernalTater (Lewis) [Formerly TLI-Inferno]:meanwhile, Aces 'I don't always miss my destinations, but when I do, I'm on the other side of house space.'

Seriously nerf Junkers.

Shoot to Thrill

[t0l]

I do that already. I trade on my Ageira char to buy Cloak for my LNS char. I don't even need PoB. But money changes hands that's the problem. If those 200M for cloak would be wasted on NPC, that creates actual running economy.

If ye waste those credits on an NPC, then some random Ageira has been grinding on his own to get another char a cloak, and interacts with the NPC to do it.
-Basically SP with a cashtransfer command
This method offers little opportunity to build Roleplay or interact with others.

If ye trade in that manner, but still have to buy the Cloak thru a vendor. Then at the very least, all Roleplay tossed aside, you still have to contact another Player and arrange a transaction, even if its done in the laziest and ooRP manner possible.
-MP interaction required, even by the laziest of buyers.
This method offers a myriad of opportunities to improve upon the minimal necessary interaction.

Unless ye just dont want to provide Device manufacturers work to do, game/roleplay to have, and things to sell... then it shouldn't matter where the credits go. Some folks enjoy building the stuff more than shooting it.



Edit: much lawl @ Techpriest, +1 for Freelancing Hookers around Sirius

Cloaks require Nomad remains, which now can only be acquired by going into the deep Omicrons with a battleship of sorts to shoot at NPC Marduks. You then go out on the forums and ask someone in an OORP subforum to buy them. There's no roleplay here, only a mess of OORP sludge.

Thing is, with all the legit get-rich-quick schemes in Disco, there are surprisingly few moneysinks. Sure, there's buying CAU8 dreads, but as you said, not all people want to shoot things, and others prefer building them.

A large moneysink like cloaks, especially with the rework coming in the next update, would be well appreciated for the economy. You can still make JDs and Docking Modules.

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[SnakThree]

If ye waste those credits on an NPC, then some random Ageira has been grinding on his own to get another char a cloak, and interacts with the NPC to do it.
-Basically SP with a cashtransfer command
This method offers little opportunity to build Roleplay or interact with others.

Since you are from Congress, I assume you have no idea that traders can be roleplayed with while they are trading....

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[Zen_Mechanics]

I think you all made very good points, However - Is there a way of reaching from this discussion to a proper solution? I'm afraid I can only think this far, and I have alot on my head to come up with a working scenario.

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Were fools to make war on our brothers in arms.

[AceofSpades]

If ye waste those credits on an NPC, then some random Ageira has been grinding on his own to get another char a cloak, and interacts with the NPC to do it.
-Basically SP with a cashtransfer command
This method offers little opportunity to build Roleplay or interact with others.

Since you are from Congress, I assume you have no idea that traders can be roleplayed with while they are trading....

You didn't even bother to address the discussion at hand with your insult.. i've noticed much of what you say is deliberately offensive. I stated that the mentioned method of trading with a trader, then spending those credits at an NPC base, cuts out a currently necessary step of Player Interaction.

but.. Since you are from ignorance, I assume you have no idea that people can be cordial while they are debating.

It saddens me to see that establishing a modest Ageira faction has compelled ye to ordain yerself the authority on RP trading, as I see its entirety of activity has almost par'ed my Congressman smuggler for a month now.

Well met yet again.

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[5:57:11 PM] InfernalTater (Lewis) [Formerly TLI-Inferno]:meanwhile, Aces 'I don't always miss my destinations, but when I do, I'm on the other side of house space.'

Seriously nerf Junkers.

Shoot to Thrill

[SnakThree]

How does trading on lanes or smuggling as designed by Xoria less interactive than buying same Cloak from Connecticut-dealer that you found on ooRP forum?

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[AceofSpades]

How does trading on lanes or smuggling as designed by Xoria less interactive than buying same Cloak from Connecticut-dealer that you found on ooRP forum?

If you sell them from the stations within Roleplay, or via Pilots interacting there, versus making a lazy factory and spamming equipment vendors. Buying it from an npc simply cuts out a step, and even if that step is currently being practiced in a poor manner a majority of the time (garbage ooRP sales) there are still POBs and Vendors who operate Roleplay establishments.


In my example i dumped billions of credits into a station so that it could offer valid prices for an economy and draw Players in a roleplay manner.. which isnt as profitable but i know folks can do it too because there are some rich bastards here..

Its pretty simple if people want improvement they should make realistic requirements of these fantastic items and additions instead of just amputating the problem when unstructured-approaches dont work out as perfectly planned. Throwing something out there like a Cloak or Barge without any sort of expectation on how it is roleplayed is bad parenting.

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[5:57:11 PM] InfernalTater (Lewis) [Formerly TLI-Inferno]:meanwhile, Aces 'I don't always miss my destinations, but when I do, I'm on the other side of house space.'

Seriously nerf Junkers.

Shoot to Thrill

[SnakThree]

Now imagine if that 500 million for Large Cloak is earned by using the lanes in between houses without deviating to hidden/far PoBs. Pirates can interact with these traders. Lawfuls can interact with these traders. Other traders can interact with these players. ALL IN GAME.

Now let's see how goes with PoB manufacturing if you bring stuff yourself. If PoB is hidde/far from lanes, you get to AFK cruise that way without interaction. You need to communicate with people on forums and via Skype. You have to get Nomad remains in ooRP fashion, or it was already obtained in ooRP fashion.

I seen Congress supply Puerto Rico stations by AFK trading through whole Texas and NY system without responding to my roleplay. How much good does that do to server atmosphere?

If you trade on lanes, you can choose any ID you like and haul RP fitting cargo. For example Ageira can haul Trade Lanes and then transfer cash to LNS ship to get cloak in ooRP fashion.

If you supply the station, you use X trade ship, and then you mount cloak on LNS ship. Still ooRP fashion.


So which one of these is lesser evil in your eyes?

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[Veygaar]

I remember when /conn didn't exist and item trading was actually dangerous and worthwhile for pirates as well.

Equipment exchanging with /conn ruined a lot of prior looting opportunities and eliminated taking risks.

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Veygaar for Admin Moderator 2013!!!