Making the Sigmas alive again, among other things !

[Thyrzul]

Well, it's call cold war. Remember that USA was helping URSS by giving them food even when they were fighting in korea. It would be the same kind of relation between Liberty and Rheinland i guess (if faction leader decide to do so, because even if devs can push in a way, trade/embargo should be left to player choice i think).

A cold war is not an open conflict, that's called ("hot") war. A cold war is when spies gain intel, do covert missions, hunt eachother while governments supply allies in conflict from two sides. Liberty and Rheinland supplying each side of the Bretonia-Kusari conflict back when Gallia wasn't a thing or the Bretonia-Gallia conflict after it without having an actual open conflict with eachother would have been/would be cold war. Liberty and Rheinland ships directly shooting eachother is not a cold war.

First thing to say: This is an idea thread, it's not content that will be 100% implemented. We're only exploring potential ways of moving things forward.

As for the whole "oh dev want to force things", the return of trade was MY view on how it would go to boost activity in Rheinland. If the govs want to do it in another way, so be it.

Moving things forward can only be done once all obstacles in the way of moving forward are gone.

The return of trade is a viable option only if the conflict is officially over (which of course doesn't have to mean a de facto ceasefire). There is no reason to end an embargo which has been enacted due to a conflict before ending said conflict.

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[larzac]

Well, it's call cold war. Remember that USA was helping URSS by giving them food even when they were fighting in korea. It would be the same kind of relation between Liberty and Rheinland i guess (if faction leader decide to do so, because even if devs can push in a way, trade/embargo should be left to player choice i think).

A cold war is not an open conflict, that's called ("hot") war. A cold war is when spies gain intel, do covert missions, hunt eachother while governments supply allies in conflict from two sides. Liberty and Rheinland supplying each side of the Bretonia-Kusari conflict back when Gallia wasn't a thing or the Bretonia-Gallia conflict after it without having an actual open conflict with eachother would have been/would be cold war. Liberty and Rheinland ships directly shooting eachother is not a cold war.

In korea, USA and URSS were fighting each over under cover, but both armies clashed there. Of course most of time, cold war is as you described, but sometimes, open conflicts happen but it isnt admit officially. and that's the goal of devs apparently, put an end to the conflict officially, but still fighting each other in more secret place like sigmas. But i think we should use this opportunity to link kusari to this, as i described in my post just before.

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[narchlojentak]

Well, it's call cold war. Remember that USA was helping URSS by giving them food even when they were fighting in korea. It would be the same kind of relation between Liberty and Rheinland i guess (if faction leader decide to do so, because even if devs can push in a way, trade/embargo should be left to player choice i think).

A cold war is not an open conflict, that's called ("hot") war. A cold war is when spies gain intel, do covert missions, hunt eachother while governments supply allies in conflict from two sides. Liberty and Rheinland supplying each side of the Bretonia-Kusari conflict back when Gallia wasn't a thing or the Bretonia-Gallia conflict after it without having an actual open conflict with eachother would have been/would be cold war. Liberty and Rheinland ships directly shooting eachother is not a cold war.

In korea, USA and URSS were fighting each over under cover, but both armies clashed there. Of course most of time, cold war is as you described, but sometimes, open conflicts happen but it isnt admit officially. and that's the goal of devs apparently, put an end to the conflict officially, but still fighting each other in more secret place like sigmas. But i think we should use this opportunity to link kusari to this, as i described in my post just before.

There was minimum of direct fights between USSR soldiers (which officially even didn´t fought there) and USA soldiers (which were there officially). There was much more help by providing material assistance to China and North Korea. And this is how real cold war look like. You openly or secretly help enemies of your enemies (or enemies of those which your enemy support), but you don´t fight him directly.

Sigma war idea sounds little silly. So Lib-Rhein war (which was only about getting Munster module) stopped and then they will fight over vital resource only secretly without full capacity and while in the same time there will be full trading of other resources between them? It doesn´t make sense.

[larzac]

Probably because H3 is the most important resource in Sirius (except for gallia). Without H3, your economy is dead because no more transport, you army is dead, because no more move, in fact, almost everything is dead in your house without fuel (like for an irl country without oil). That's strategic for RM to stop officially the war with lib who is too powerful for a direct clash, and try to destroy them by fighting GMG, who is a better known enemy, with less forces, even if they "won" the 80 years war. Especially if they have the kusari support, who could see an occasion to take more spaces in sigma and some control over sirius fuel.

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[Fluffyball]

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Well, to be honest it´s hard to resist comment this with sarcastic words "just when Liberty needs direct route to GMG space to get new way how to obtain fuel to avoid serious supply problem, they will magically find it". But maybe we can get the explanation "it was there all the time inRP, we retconned it in the lore, mkay?" Just like with Munich disaster and many other serious lore changes.

I was sarcastic about Liberty and Kusari warring each other (what would turn whole affiliation to the Gallic Team and Rheinland would eventually, sooner or later, follow his best Sirian ally). Don't they have enough problems? Gallia has a highway straight into Liberty that is called Kusari-66.

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[Alvin]

We don't need to repeat the same thing again, it wont get anymore interesting. Rhineland also has a natural enemy, the Red Hessian. We can exploit this to make the story more fresh.

Setting the RP background:
The Rheinland economy suffered a fatal collapse after post Liberty-Rheinland war. The Red Hessian took this as an opportunity by promoting their ideology and boosting recuitment. They promise Rheinland citizen peace and prosperity with the blood diamonds trade should the existing goverment be overthrown. This caused many unemployed and low paid labours cross the region to join in the revolution.


OORP
Make it into a full scale civil war, RHA already have a full ship line to make it interesting. Let them have full control of Dresden, and turn some stations in New Berlin, Stuttgart, and Hamburg into revolted garrisons controlled by the Hessians. Hopefully it will revive the dead [RHA] faction too in the process.


On the other side, make Liberty and Bretonia focus on Gallia, possibly push them back to their original borders. Create a new front and a new enemy instead of the same thing again.

[An'shur]

Let them have full control of Dresden, and turn some stations in New Berlin, Stuttgart, and Hamburg into revolted garrisons controlled by the Hessians. Hopefully it will revive the dead [RHA] faction too in the process.

No. Only if [RHA] will RP and fight for those bases and will be repeately successfull pvp ad RP wise. It is roleplay server I believe. No RP? > No outcomes.

Also, even if connecting Sigmas to Liberty, people will be still battling in Texas or Hamburg.

And idea. Make Kusari and Liberty enter war with each other. I think. We have D9| and Aoi, these factions should RP to escalate tense between two nations, resulting in war.

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[Ryummel]

Let them have full control of Dresden, and turn some stations in New Berlin, Stuttgart, and Hamburg into revolted garrisons controlled by the Hessians. Hopefully it will revive the dead [RHA] faction too in the process.

And idea. Make Kusari and Liberty enter war with each other. I think. We have D9| and Aoi, these factions should RP to escalate tense between two nations, resulting in war.

You've repeated the same thing twice already, thinking it's super-easy having two Houses and their respective factions agreeing to play along with the Wild faction in their efforts to create a new war.

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[t0l]

Let them have full control of Dresden, and turn some stations in New Berlin, Stuttgart, and Hamburg into revolted garrisons controlled by the Hessians. Hopefully it will revive the dead [RHA] faction too in the process.

No. Only if [RHA] will RP and fight for those bases and will be repeately successfull pvp ad RP wise. It is roleplay server I believe. No RP? > No outcomes.

Also, even if connecting Sigmas to Liberty, people will be still battling in Texas or Hamburg.

And idea. Make Kusari and Liberty enter war with each other. I think. We have D9| and Aoi, these factions should RP to escalate tense between two nations, resulting in war.

[RHA] inciting insurrections in Rheinland and taking over stations would be a rather interesting idea for boosting RHA/RM activity. I'd get a Vidar or something to shoot RM and vice versa if this started blooming into all out war.

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[Vulkhard Muller]

We don't need to repeat the same thing again, it wont get anymore interesting. Rhineland also has a natural enemy, the Red Hessian. We can exploit this to make the story more fresh.

Setting the RP background:
The Rheinland economy suffered a fatal collapse after post Liberty-Rheinland war. The Red Hessian took this as an opportunity by promoting their ideology and boosting recuitment. They promise Rheinland citizen peace and prosperity with the blood diamonds trade should the existing goverment be overthrown. This caused many unemployed and low paid labours cross the region to join in the revolution.


OORP
Make it into a full scale civil war, RHA already have a full ship line to make it interesting. Let them have full control of Dresden, and turn some stations in New Berlin, Stuttgart, and Hamburg into revolted garrisons controlled by the Hessians. Hopefully it will revive the dead [RHA] faction too in the process.


On the other side, make Liberty and Bretonia focus on Gallia, possibly push them back to their original borders. Create a new front and a new enemy instead of the same thing again.

Totally on board with a Red Revolution in Rheinland #notbiased

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