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[Zeltak]

"Metagaming is a broad term usually used to define any strategy, action or method used in a game which transcends a prescribed ruleset, uses external factors to affect the game, or goes beyond the supposed limits or environment set by the game. Another definition refers to the game universe outside of the game itself.

In simple terms, using out-of-game information, or resources, to affect one's in-game decisions."

If you want to apply it to Freelancer, it's rather easy. For example, I write a story that my Liberty Navy character is addicted to Cardamine (which is an illegal act). If you use the information provided in my personal story in order to attempt getting me kicked out of the Faction (In-RP) that is metagaming. You have used information that your character in question has no way of knowing.

[Tenacity]

Have to say that, while I like chatting in a semihostile manner to you hogwashes, I was a bit disappointed seeing your ships operating in northern leeds, new london, and cambridge. Keep in mind that all of northern leeds, as well as the rest of bretonian lawful space, is still under the control of the bretonian military. Kusari controls southern leeds, and most people expect that you'll not stray any further than to planet leeds itself.

In other words, unless something like a special event is going on, stop roaming around cambridge causing trouble, it's out of your zoi.

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[Zelot]

Have to say that, while I like chatting in a semihostile manner to you hogwashes, I was a bit disappointed seeing your ships operating in northern leeds, new london, and cambridge. Keep in mind that all of northern leeds, as well as the rest of bretonian lawful space, is still under the control of the bretonian military. Kusari controls southern leeds, and most people expect that you'll not stray any further than to planet leeds itself.

In other words, unless something like a special event is going on, stop roaming around cambridge causing trouble, it's out of your zoi.

First off Tenna, Northern Leeds is controlled by the Kusari. Second, the Kusari semi-lawfuls are just working by the same rules as the Bretonian semi-lawfuls I guess.

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[farmerman]

I think I'm going to actually agree partially with each of you. For Cambridge at least, the Hogosha don't have any allies operating from there, so it seems a bit of a stretch. However, NL, Edinburgh, Manchester, Leeds, and Dublin seem well into a operational stretch.

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Faction info links: Samura Heavy Industries : LWB : Watchers

[Zelot]

I think I'm going to actually agree partially with each of you. For Cambridge at least, the Hogosha don't have any allies operating from there, so it seems a bit of a stretch. However, NL, Edinburgh, Manchester, Leeds, and Dublin seem well into a operational stretch.

I absolutly agree with that from a gameplay standpoint, I would go as far as to say that New London would be hard to operate in as well. From an rp perspective, the Corsairs have Cadiz in O-5 to work from.

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[farmerman]

I absolutly agree with that from a gameplay standpoint, I would go as far as to say that New London would be hard to operate in as well. From an rp perspective, the Corsairs have Cadiz in O-5 to work from.

That is a good point, too. I suppose it would depend then. There's definitely a difference between the area of Cambridge near NL and the area near the Omegas, too. A lot of NL would be an issue, too, though, yeah. I don't know the specifics of what this was originally related to either.

So I'd say the common areas of activity would be, due to allied bases, Edinburgh, Manchester, Newcastle, and Leeds. Dublin also holds a lot of interest, due to Samura and Kishiro activity.

Though with that in mind, I've always had good experiences with the BDS and wish they were around more. At the least, when I had a GC, they were the majority of good RP interactions I had.

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Faction info links: Samura Heavy Industries : LWB : Watchers

[Dab]

All I'm going to say on the Hogosha ZoI standpoint is; Hogosha shouldn't be in Cambridge, New London, or Manchester unless they are smuggling. Going there to attack Bretonians isn't logical. Even the KNF don't do that/aren't capable of doing that in-RP. I don't think Hogosha are more powerful than the Navy. Not to mention, the only non-lawful base in NL is Trafalgar, and Junkers hate Hogosha too. Only reason I can think of to have Hogosha in NL is on their way to deliver/pick up supplies from Cadiz in Omega-5.


On the 'engaging without warning' issue, I'm going to have to side with Chase here. If that transport was Mwerte, as I believe from reading what was posted here, than the excuse of the GC/BD side having far more firepower is pointless. I remember you doing the exact same thing in Cambridge with the Wilde.. And that was 2 GBs and 3 VHFs vs 3 BAF VHFs. You had the advantage and still did it. That sounds like habit, not like desperate measures against overwhelming odds. And as Tsukiko said; Very poor form. On the whole, the BDS are my favorite enemy in Kusari to RP with. I don't want to see that tarnished because I have to fly circles every time we try to talk with them, because I know Mwerte's going to shoot me without warning.

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[Corsair]

I used to have a Hogosha indie, and I never encountered issues when I went into New London. I stayed mostly out of sight and attacked miners that came out of Dublin, but I wasn't able to stay long for obvious reasons. I got chased out by BAF, and BPA. I received no "You shouldn't be here" PMs.

On the whole, I believe that New London is as far as Hogosha could go. You don't see Privateers in Honshu often. If at all.

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[Zelot]

All I'm going to say on the Hogosha ZoI standpoint is; Hogosha shouldn't be in Cambridge, New London, or Manchester unless they are smuggling. Going there to attack Bretonians isn't logical. Even the KNF don't do that/aren't capable of doing that in-RP. I don't think Hogosha are more powerful than the Navy. Not to mention, the only non-lawful base in NL is Trafalgar, and Junkers hate Hogosha too. Only reason I can think of to have Hogosha in NL is on their way to deliver/pick up supplies from Cadiz in Omega-5.

I guess all I have to point to here in terms of ZOI is the contradiction between what some people see as an unacceptable ZOI for the Hogosha, while those same people support as acceptable a similar ZOI in hostile space for the QCP.

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[Sprolf]

I'd have to ask whether or not Hogosha's main purpose is as their name suggests "guardians" or "protectors" of Kusari and its people. Not attackers supporting an invasion. They'd be back home fighting the QCP and generally keeping Kusarians safe, I imagine. There interests would primarily be back home in Kusari, with smuggling and the unawful groups. I don't really see them bridging the Taus much, if at all - they're mainly Sigma-based, what with the artifact trade.

And then again, the BDS probably knows what it's doing and even if they don't, this is not a huge stretch in roleplay, so everyone would be better off just getting along despite whether or not they think Hogosha should be in Bretonia... shutting up and letting an issue alone more usually brings things to a peaceful conclusion than not.

My three cents.

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