' Wrote:If memory serves well, if you're being engaged, and you dock, you lose. What if you flee, you dock, but your shields never went down under 50%?
If you were fleeing and dock, you are done. It may be that the attackers inability to reduce your shields by 50% is that he's a lousy shot. (If it's an OBVIOUS RP ploy, such as someone shooting you with mining lasers and RP'ing, then no, you're all good. Otherwise, you dock, you fled.)
' Wrote:In my opinion, when shields of one of guys who involved in fight are lowered to 50% then all guys around are becoming "engaged" and if one of them, who never fire a single shot and his shields never got damaged, docking - its fleening. I mean that after damaging one ship the fight is starting, no free docks\undocks from that moment. But if you in your LF chased by gazzilion gb's cruisers fighters\bombers and have a luck to dock without damage - you'r not fleed, feel free to join the fight later. IMO. Of couse i mean if you flyes alone in LF and didint engage guys who chased you.
Little example.
4 rouge pilots with HF's pirating a lane and LABC is shown up. So, that LABC sayng something very impressive like "engaging red" and start pewpew into pirates. They are up on cruise and get away without getting a single hit and head to the different place. In that situation they are not beeing engaged and labc didnt engage someone really. That was not a fight after all.
Again, they moved more than 10K from the initial combat, they fled. Do not pass go, do not collect $200, just leave the system or switch characters.
Shall we have a quick 5.6 review here again, people?
Quote:5.6 Fleeing in combat counts as a PVP death. Fleeing is:
a) Docking with a jump gate, station or tradelane;
b) Moving more than 10km from the fight.
Vessels acting as escorts for trade ships are exempt from this rules for purposes of:
a) Catching up to their transport. I.E. breaking off an attack to rejoin their charge.
b) Re-entering a system which had previously been exited.
(11-21-2013, 12:53 PM)Jihadjoe Wrote: Oh god... The end of days... Agmen agreed with me.
' Wrote:But noone prohibits me to spam my shield to stay over 50% right?
I may be unusually dense this morning, Ivan, but I don't think I understand your question.
Are you referring to using bats to bring your shield back up when it goes down just a little, or doing some dodging and such so that your shield regenerates?
(i.e. someone popped your shield down 20%, and you immediately start dodging around and they can't land another shot on you. At that point it's pretty obvious you're engaged in a combat, regardless of what the shield levels are.)
The intent of the agressor here - to cause you serious bodily injury - is what initiates the combat.
Re: Feeding bots/bats - congratulations, you're now a combatant and are subject to vaporization. Have a nice afterlife, because if the cruiser has the evidence to back it up, he'll be making this life very short.
(11-21-2013, 12:53 PM)Jihadjoe Wrote: Oh god... The end of days... Agmen agreed with me.
So the server definition of being engaged has changed? If there is an intent to destroy you it is now considered an engagement? Just asking because this will effect other rules also.
' Wrote:Really people? Do you have to break down every word in every rule into individual syllables to create more detailed rules?
Just use common sense.
Sure, we can use common sense, but what is to stop other people from fabricating things and filing sanction reports against us? Unless I SS every encounter I have I could find myself sanctioned because some idiot shot me up a few times before I docked and managed to skew the evidence enough to make an admin believe his lie.
Better yet, how about we follow the baseline of you aren't engaged unless your shield drops below 50% because such a baseline makes abuse more difficult. Probably the reason they put that line in the rules in the first place.
I can pop someones shields to 80% and have the intent to kill them as they are approaching a station to dock. They know have to not dock and fight me? If I cannot manage to knock their shields below 50% before they dock that is my problem, not theirs.
Seems there is confusion as all of the people other than Agmen went by the 50% rule. Many of the rather knowledgable. There is nothign wrong with asking for clarification.
' Wrote:You are engaged when your shield is below 50% if its not below that certain amount then I believe its not considered as a engagement. If your not 'Engaged' and you dock then you have only docked and not fled.
Believe I got that right.
~Rouge
' Wrote:Shields need to be dropped below 50%, pretty sure.
' Wrote:As the rule states you need to have your shields taken down past 50% for it to be considered a engagement, so if that doesn't happen then there is no engagement to flee from. rules come first I believe.
Okay, just ... no.
There are no rules about whether or not you are in an engagement or not. That should be common sense on the parts of all parties involved. There are rules about whether or not someone has attacked you. There are rules about fleeing. That's it.
I'm really not pleased with the nit-picking we're seeing out here and the twisting of things. People, all you have to do is read this link: http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4040 It's the rules. If you have questions about them, then REFER TO THE RULES. Don't pull stuff out of memory - most of the time you're thinking incorrectly.
If you're concerned enough about someone attacking you that you hit a trade lane, dock, or flee more than 10K - REGARDLESS of shield damage - you fled. Do I need to bring out the common sense hammer and smack a few people upside the head? If they're futily pinging away at your shields - starflea plinking away at a battleship comes to mind - then you weren't concerned enough to leave, were you?
(11-21-2013, 12:53 PM)Jihadjoe Wrote: Oh god... The end of days... Agmen agreed with me.
' Wrote:If you were fleeing and dock, you are done. It may be that the attackers inability to reduce your shields by 50% is that he's a lousy shot. (If it's an OBVIOUS RP ploy, such as someone shooting you with mining lasers and RP'ing, then no, you're all good. Otherwise, you dock, you fled.)
Again, they moved more than 10K from the initial combat, they fled. Do not pass go, do not collect $200, just leave the system or switch characters.
Shall we have a quick 5.6 review here again, people?
Yea, its true (Cap.O) that if you go from combat to 10k - year out. But it's if your in combat, engaged, fighting and such. We are talking about where is the combat starts, from what point. The point is a shields of one guy goes below 50%. Befor it there is no fight really.