The Zoners 'Corruption'....

[Dab]

Zoners asked for it, m'yes. Dab can keep up the North Korean strategy of ignoring roleplay, and the Corsairs can accept the fact they came to PvP everyone there.

Wait, is there a Zoner telling someone they are ignoring roleplay.

The irony is blinding.

Maybe you should read my RP posts over the incident. And those of Bretonia. And those of.. Well, everyone who wasn't a Zoner.

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[exlibrismortis]

Dab, there may be RP justification now. But when it started there was nothing but OORP reasoning that had RP justification AFTER the fact, or the RP was made just to justify the ultimate goal, the PvP. Which is fine, but to suggest that at time there was RP before PvP is just blatantly wrong.

EDIT: To explain what I mean further is that the wanted outcome was to PvP. Which is fine. But the RP was a second though that was done at almost bare minimum to bring about this ultimate goal. Which does follow the rules, but the responsibility of the player wasn't existing nor was it good taste. But hey, everyone gets their jollies differently.

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[Dab]

Dab, there may be RP justification now. But when it started there was nothing but OORP reasoning that had RP justification AFTER the fact, or the RP was made just to justify the ultimate goal, the PvP. Which is fine, but to suggest that at time there was RP before PvP is just blatantly wrong.

EDIT: To explain what I mean further is that the wanted outcome was to PvP. Which is fine. But the RP was a second though that was done at almost bare minimum to bring about this ultimate goal. Which does follow the rules, but the responsibility of the player wasn't existing nor was it good taste. But hey, everyone gets their jollies differently.

The outcome was to PvP.. Did you know that the starting incident, AG finding Tomoe with 4 different kinds of contraband in his cargo, happened to be 25 minutes of roleplay just sitting there talking? Yes.. I could barely contain my urge to pew pew.

Seriously, I'd like to know what your opinion is of what should have been done in the position of a BIS who finds a Zoner in a Battlecruiser within its sovereignty carrying 4 different kinds of contraband.

Oh, and then the Battlecruiser shoots you with 3 battlerazors.

I eagerly await your reply.

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[Fletcher]

As an observer, isn't this getting out of hand? RP and OORP style, in forums I mean.

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[exlibrismortis]

I eagerly await your reply.

Hmm, intentions of posting here revealed.

Well, When I made the post you quote I was refering to the Corsair situation. What happened in Bretonia was beautiful and I thought that you have gathered from our conversation on skype what my intentions in that matter was. I like how it played out and where we are now, with Bretonia that is. I do hope that that conflict will die off because Tomoe is now gone, if not then oh well, more fun.

I wish not to get into a flame fest.

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[DAnvilFan]

If I were the Chairman right now, I'd be doing my best to find out what pissed off those angry at us, and what is needed to fix the problem.

Plenty of that has been done in-game and on the forums. That's not the issue.

The issue is that for some reason, everything that has occurred in-game is being reinforced by people as if the players, and not the characters have screwed up.

• The Bretonia incident was a result of Tomoe (one single character) making a boo-boo.
  
• The Omega-3 incident was a regular NFZ violation.
  
• Disruption of food to Crete is a Roleplaying response due to Zoners being frightened of Corsairs bombing their stations and ships.
  

These are typical, day to day events in the life of Discovery 24/7 RP server. No player is at fault. And the existance of these threads, as well as people's constant reference to factions as players, instead of fictional characters, is the real issue.

People say "the Zoners had it comming," as if the players did something forbidden. They did not. They simply played their parts. You don't see me saying, "Well the Corsairs had it comming for violating the NFZ, and then teaming up with [A] when Zoners said that they could no longer provide food due to terrorist attacks."

Comments like these are the underlining sentiment behind player actions and they aren't doing anything but stinking up the atmosphere:

[9/12/2010 4:57:24 PM] Speaker A: Actually it's about Tomoe.
[9/12/2010 4:59:47 PM] Speaker A: Harcourt Fenton Mudd
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[9/12/2010 4:56:25 PM] Speaker B: http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=79447
[9/12/2010 4:56:39 PM] Speaker B: F--- all Zoners
(finger)
[9/12/2010 4:57:24 PM] Speaker A: Actually it's about Tomoe.
[9/12/2010 4:57:45 PM] Speaker C: (rofl)
[9/12/2010 4:58:11 PM] Speaker B: Still
[9/12/2010 4:58:18 PM] Speaker B: F--- Zoners!
[9/12/2010 4:59:15 PM] Speaker B: I'm making a Challenger yo hunt them b---hes now
[9/12/2010 4:59:40 PM] Speaker D: Who is that Tomoe guy anyway
[9/12/2010 4:59:47 PM] Speaker A: Harcourt Fenton Mudd

[9/12/2010 5:00:31 PM] Speaker D: What does he actually do though
[9/12/2010 5:00:45 PM] Speaker E: Meh - Zoners need the occaisional real threat to worry about.
[9/12/2010 5:00:54 PM] Speaker E: It is character building!
[9/12/2010 5:00:58 PM] Speaker A: What does he actually do thoughPisses people off.

[Cannon]

Seriously, I'd like to know what your opinion is of what should have been done in the position of a BIS who finds a Zoner in a Battlecruiser within its sovereignty carrying 4 different kinds of contraband.

Reading the forums, I think the issue many people have is your use of the word "sovereignty". I know you've argued that the presence of Bretonian NPCs in Omega-3 confirms this position. I've always thought of the presence of Bretonian NPCs in Omega-3 to be a case of Bretonia protecting its jumpgate and trade in the system.

Seriously, I'd like to know what your opinion is of what should have been done in the position of a BIS who finds a Zoner in a Battlecruiser within its sovereignty carrying 4 different kinds of contraband.

I think a reasonable thing to do would have been to ask the BAF to declare the ships involved hostile to Bretonia (via FR5) as opposed to unilaterally declaring all of zoners in Omega-3 hostile.


EDIT: I think this poll is a bit silly - not particularly balanced.
EDIT2: The RP only the forum related to the Omega-3 incident has been great.
EDIT3: The Omega-3 incident was great fun.

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[qwertypp7]

Honestly, I don't know what people are getting so worked up about. All this business with the Zoners has been amazing for RP development. Theres been more change in the roleplaying order of things in the past two days than I've ever seen on Discovery and with the Zoner security summit, there might even be more radical changes.

And its not just been the Zoners who've seen these changes effect them. Its brought new or changed RP to countless other factions and players and led to some great RP. Anybody who was around Freeport 1 after the Corsair raid will have seen some truly great RP as emergency supply convoys came in with food, medicine and oxygen and left with refugees and repair ships buzzed about repairing the station while all sorts of characters from several different factions provided protection.

Player driven story development is something we should be embracing, whether it happens by accident or by design and this is a golden opportunity to captialise on one of those accidents. Its a pity people are ruining it with OORP hate to be honest.

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True story...

[Thexare]

Reading the forums, I think the issue many people have is your use of the word "sovereignty". I know you've argued that the presence of Bretonian NPCs in Omega-3 confirms this position. I've always thought of the presence of Bretonian NPCs in Omega-3 to be a case of Bretonia protecting its jumpgate and trade in the system.

Incidentally, if Omega-3 was truly Bretonian sovereign space, the simple fact that Tomoe's battlecruiser was there would've been brought up as a problem, wouldn't it?

[Magoo!]

I leave the forums for a little bit, come back after drinking and the Zoners are on a war path? What the hell?

I know their reputation has been horribly tarnished and bashed lately, but war? That's like the BHG declaring war on everything non-BHG, its madness. The Zoners are not war mongerers, they're a defensive and freedom force.

Zoners on the attack is like asking Italy in WWII to invade Germany, pure unadulterated madness, I hope this gets rectified soon.

Fletch:
Bretonia raged on us because of Tomoe.
BHG raged on us for lulz after getting a free pass from the local Delta Mindshare on the Iota Express.
Corsairs raged on us because apparently they actively get food from other sources outside of newborns.

So... We didn't start anything. Thus I hope you amend your opinion on the

Zoners are on a war path?

part. We are, in fact, still

a defensive and freedom force.