On the subject of Corsair-Gallic relations,
every interaction both the Sails and the Brotherhood has had with any Gallic faction has been on friendly terms, most specifically with the GMS.
As for
' Wrote:Mollys are right next to our ZoI.
Corsairs are across the frakkin map.
Go ahead, try and sanction me with that.
If anything that should bode even better for an trade pact/NAP/alliance with the Corsairs.
After all, BAF-GC, Kusari-Corsair, BAF-Outcast....
All of them canon lore.
The Gallics have no animosity towards the Corsairs save their very state as Sirians, and the Gallics have what would be the largest market for artefacts ever.
And then of course we have the apparent dev push towards a Red Hessian-Corsair peace in 4.87 or 4.88.
That will be particularly interesting.
gone four years, first day back: Zoners still getting shot in Theta :|
' Wrote:This "RP" NAP is pretty much BS, and opposite the RP set down for 4.86.
Actually, it's not.
There were three possible scenarios and this is the one that was successful. This was not done overnight, but has been the process of months of hard work, and was done fully with the written lore of .86 in mind. Those three options were: an armistice with Bretonia; a NAP with Gallia; or neither and shoot both. The Mollys have been willing to do either of the three.
Here's a lore statement:
Quote:The Mollys are in the process of entering negotiations with the Bretonian government about a possible armistace.
That was done. Two previous leaders of the Molly faction had discussed the possibility of an armistice. Those discussions ended with neither side really interested in the idea. From the time I became 2IC and through the time I became faction lead we entered into a long, detailed and often heated discussion with Bretonia. Bretonia walked out on the talks, thus ending an armistice. The lore states that discussion is made concerning a possible armistice, it does not state that one was achieved.
noted items:
* 13th declaration against Mollys during the truce while armistice talks were in progress: link
* Molly notice of general hostilities after Bretonia walked out of the armistice talks. Link
Furthermore, from the lore we have:
Quote:Mollys are now facing a Corsair threat which could easily mean the end of existence for the faction, much like what the looming Gallic invasion could become for Bretonia.
The Molly primary concern is the Corsairs, not Gallia. However, to be properly inRP, the Mollys could not mount an offense/defense against the Corsairs with both Bretonia and Gallia at its back. Thus, the NAP secures the rear from attack so that the Mollys can concentrate on the Corsairs as they are supposed to.
Further, the inRP resources and lives that the Mollys would spend fighting Gallia can instead be directed toward the Corsairs and defenses built up in Dublin.
More lore notes:
Quote:The remote Jump Hole from Omega-50 to Poole became unstable and collapsed, leaving Dublin and Londonderry as the only way for the Corsairs to reach Bretonia from Omega-49. However, the Mollys, Red Hessians and SCRA are preparing a united offensive against the Corsairs in the system.
With the rear flank secured by the non-agression agreement, the Mollys can continue with its plans for working with its allies versus the Corsairs.
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Thus, lore has been followed. Had Bretonia not walked out on armistice talks there might have been a Molly/Bretonia treaty in February after weeks and weeks of discussion. Had Gallia declined a NAP, Mollys would have ended up having to shoot all three enemies. Each of those options would have been within lore.
Additionally, there was nearly two years of in game RP and cooperation between Mollys and Gallia factions including IDF, GMS, and sometimes EFL for Dublin ore and Molly smugglers carrying goods to Gallia. This is long term in game experiences which made discussion of a NAP with Gallia possible.
As stated previously, this isn't an overnight decision just because you were not a part of it. It has been a long and arduous path that has come to this point. There's still more to come yet depending on how the role play goes. Just remember, it may not be your interpretation of how you'd like the lore to go, but what is done is still within the lore as it was written.
I never understood why do Mollys can go to Leeds allied with BAFs to shoot GRN. Like they care? Mollys need to have Dublin to they hands, and other systems just pirate zone.
CCCP| attempted not to make NAP with Corsairs, but alliance. This is ID violation. And thing that CCCP was not official do matters. NAP is just - you dont shoot us we dont shoot you. this doent mean Mollys can ally with GRNs to shoot BAFs. so nothing wrong. Gaians already have NAP with GRN.
Jihad:// Corsair vessels allying with Gallic Navy vessels is considered an oorp alliance and is directly counter to rule 6.10. //
So,we talk about Non agressive pact and this words about ally are lie,because we not coming to their space,and cors not comin to our,anyway,this is was against the rules...
Princess: We have no interest or intention of signing any deals with pirates.
If I remember correct when we had our last raid on Alpha we all were in one group: CCCP, ECG, indies GRN and Sairs. we shared orders, targets and information. this means we actually were allied. and this was ID violation. same thing about engagin without proper RP and OOC.
this is one of few thing I actually agree about. all other QQ that was on forums was just whining and hipocricy. and that now 2te in Bastilie I can only make pokerface and silently walk away from this
' Wrote:Thus, lore has been followed. Had Bretonia not walked out on armistice talks there might have been a Molly/Bretonia treaty in February after weeks and weeks of discussion.
The discussions between Molly and BAF HQ members were a joke because of the ridiculous terms the Mollies wanted. "Leave Dublin to us and remove all your forces + abandon Greaves" .. in return of?
In return of ~10'000 moly ships in RP lore numbers. Right...
BAF proposed the Dublin to be still under Queen's jurisdiction but with MOLLY GOVERNOR in Charge. That could lead to future neutral and possibly different kind of relations. BAF even proposed future DUNKIRK to be given to mollies as symbol of future friendly relations. The mollies rejected that as well as many more proposals which Followed the RP LORE.
Their reason in RP? They want to be friendly with GRN. Ok np
Their reason in OORP? They hate BAF, they want new toys under their VHF christmass tree. Ok np.
' Wrote:Additionally, there was nearly two years of in game RP and cooperation between Mollys and Gallia factions including IDF, GMS, and sometimes EFL for Dublin ore and Molly smugglers carrying goods to Gallia. This is long term in game experiences which made discussion of a NAP with Gallia possible.
I dont know but in RP a lot more things are possible instead of standart in-game actions. If you choose to open relations with clearly Hostile to your faction, group, then no matter how you call it, it may be taken as oorp. Why? Well if you guys wanted to remove BAF from dublin, the only way you see it to become true is through GRN involvement right?
Good, so we can open secret relations with corsairs and let them go with full battle armada in Dublin but we gona close our eyes and let them eviscerate all the molly once and for all because THE CORSAIRS CAN DO THAT IN RP. After you are gone we gona wipe out the corsairs and recapture Dublin. Are you ok with that?
' Wrote:As stated previously, this isn't an overnight decision just because you were not a part of it. It has been a long and arduous path that has come to this point.
In the end, if the Mollies are on...ok call it NAP with GRN...why would Bretonia lawful forces help them against the corsairs? It would be like we help someone we hate against someone we discust alot(all is in RP).
How to deal with it? Simple, we leave Corsairs to fight mollies and concentrate on GRN. Mollies will vanish soon or later.
' Wrote:There's still more to come yet depending on how the role play goes.
' Wrote:The discussions between Molly and BAF HQ members were a joke because of the ridiculous terms the Mollies wanted. "Leave Dublin to us and remove all your forces + abandon Greaves" .. in return of?
In return of ~10'000 moly ships in RP lore numbers. Right...
BAF proposed the Dublin to be still under Queen's jurisdiction but with MOLLY GOVERNOR in Charge. That could lead to future neutral and possibly different kind of relations. BAF even proposed future DUNKIRK to be given to mollies as symbol of future friendly relations. The mollies rejected that as well as many more proposals which Followed the RP LORE.
Their reason in RP? They want to be friendly with GRN. Ok np
Their reason in OORP? They hate BAF, they want new toys under their VHF christmass tree. Ok np.
I dont know but in RP a lot more things are possible instead of standart in-game actions. If you choose to open relations with clearly Hostile to your faction, group, then no matter how you call it, it may be taken as oorp. Why? Well if you guys wanted to remove BAF from dublin, the only way you see it to become true is through GRN involvement right?
Good, so we can open secret relations with corsairs and let them go with full battle armada in Dublin but we gona close our eyes and let them eviscerate all the molly once and for all because THE CORSAIRS CAN DO THAT IN RP. After you are gone we gona wipe out the corsairs and recapture Dublin. Are you ok with that?
In the end, if the Mollies are on...ok call it NAP with GRN...why would Bretonia lawful forces help them against the corsairs? It would be like we help someone we hate against someone we discust alot(all is in RP).
How to deal with it? Simple, we leave Corsairs to fight mollies and concentrate on GRN. Mollies will vanish soon or later.
Yea like Why not?
And that is a fairly good example of how not to present an argument.
As far as I see it, the Mollies had a choice in roleplay, and they made it. Whether it's good or not is really not up to us to judge, after all, part of roleplay is making decisions that we as players know may bite us in the rear, simply because our characters are roleplayed that way.
This is not canon lore. Merely the musings of a developer. If it was canon it would be tied in game or posted in the News and Annoucements section. No one is forced to base their factions role play off of that crud.
@ Fallen
Once again you're proving you're a very poor spokesperson for your faction.
You may not like the role play avenue the Mollys took, but that doesn't mean it is out of role play. The fact that the Mollys demanded Bretonia to fully withdrawl from Dublin isn't ridiculous as you put it. That is the entire purpose of the Mollys. To take Dublin from Bretonia in full. Why would they demand anything less when they know Bretonia is in such an horrid position right now?
As for Bretonia not helping the Mollys fight the Corsairs? That is indeed a valid role play decision. Though, making that claim in role play right now without actually knowing about the NAP wouldn't be great role play. You'll still be shooting Corsairs though. Seeing as they invade Cambridge and also pirate Bretonian Corps in Dublin. Bloody cannibals.
' Wrote:Whether it's good or not is really not up to us to judge, after all, part of roleplay is making decisions that we as players know may bite us in the rear, simply because our characters are roleplayed that way.
You are right. None of us have problem with that since we knew this was going to happen in the moment we ended the discussions about the possible treaty.
Every faction have right to do what they want but that Molly decission gona cost them a lot IF Bretonia ever survive and prevails.
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