Wolfpack98,May 13 2006, 06:02 AM Wrote:1) They already are.. gotta use hornets and a carefully placed shot. Ask Damned for details...
2) Not enforceable and never gonna happen, bud.
3) eh... I don't think this is gonna do sh*t.. players will just take a ship with smaller cargo and run with it.
4) Oh, hell no. That unbalances the trains. From someone who screams murder over unbalanced ships, this is a surprise from you, Dab.
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1.) But the time it would take to do that would allow the train to escape.
2.) I said It wasn't really enforcable. You need to read the stuff in ( ) before posting.
3.) Thats the point. If you want to big money you have to take the risk of being killed/pirated. I think this solution would actually work.
4.) As I said. It would make it too weak and really isn't much of a solution. Again read the stuff in ( ).
Dab,May 13 2006, 03:03 PM Wrote:1.) But the time it would take to do that would allow the train to escape.
2.) I said It wasn't really enforcable. You need to read the stuff in ( ) before posting.
3.) Thats the point. If you want to big money you have to take the risk of being killed/pirated. I think this solution would actually work.
4.) As I said. It would make it too weak and really isn't much of a solution. Again read the stuff in ( ).
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Dab, i do read the stuff in parathesis, thankyouveryfrakkingmuch you ape.
*goes to bed before you really piss me off.*
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Marauder and Korrd, that attitude just pisses me of. So, everybody has to play by your rules? Do as you say or be killed? What a lot of BS! If you ever attack me without warning, youd better be red on my HUD, or Ill report you to Igiss for violating server rules.
I cannot see why this is so hard to understand. Some of us want to be left alone. Were part of no faction, we fight in no war, and we attack no-one. Why then, are we to be at the mercy of any trigger-happy idiot that we happen to meet?
If I get caught by a pirate in a situation where I cant get to safety, then I wouldnt mind surrendering 500K to avoid being blown up. BUT ONLY IF IM RPING AT THAT TIME! If Im flying in my U.G.T trader, then I accept that Im fair game for any pirate on the server. But if Im flying any of my unmarked characters, then I want to be left to my own business. Is that so hard to accept? How does it, in any way, make your game any less enjoyable just because I want to be left alone? There are plenty of targets out there (faction players and NPCs), so why cant I just be left alone?
Seriously, this we want to shot at you and you cant do **** about it is getting on my nerves. Why should a group of warmongering players be allowed to decide who lives and dies on the server?
I think its about time we implemented the its only a legal target if its red on the HUD rule. If youre an enemy, then Ill expect an attack. Fine, thats part of playing. But if youre a police loving wannabee pirate, then please get out of my sight!
Quote:Marauder and Korrd, that attitude just pisses me of. So, everybody has to play by your rules? Do as you say or be killed? ... If you ever attack me without warning, youd better be red on my HUD, or Ill report you to Igiss for violating server rules...
I cannot see why this is so hard to understand. Some of us want to be left alone. Were part of no faction, we fight in no war, and we attack no-one. Why then, are we to be at the mercy of any trigger-happy idiot that we happen to meet?
...How does it, in any way, make your game any less enjoyable just because I want to be left alone? There are plenty of targets out there (faction players and NPCs), so why cant I just be left alone?...
...Why should a group of warmongering players be allowed to decide who lives and dies on the server?...
I think its about time we implemented the its only a legal target if its red on the HUD rule. If youre an enemy, then Ill expect an attack. Fine, thats part of playing. But if youre a police loving wannabee pirate, then please get out of my sight!
1st - Easy with the words - we have a right to attack u as much as u have the right to run - u see the icon on the server list when u log on? - It shows players can damage other players. Figure it out for urself.
2nd - When u are playing here u know the risk - if u want to peacefully trade - look where the bad guys are and stay at least 2-3 systems away - if u feel the are commig for u switch chars do something else then switch back..or u can switch to a server where there is no player vs player damage - your problem not ours.
3rd - then again easy with the words no1 has insulted u but u insult instead - now u are for sure to be hunted...(no1 can do bad things well enough to yourself as u can...)
4th - THERE IS NO RULE FOR NOT ATTACKING A PLAYER, ESPECIALLY YOU. You come here - you play by the server rules. When we attack we do observe them too. If u are above 30 lv and outta NY, you aren't secure...
5th - Everytime we come to this , you post that you don't wish to be attacked - well actually if u are trading so much u could stand it... And basically no1 i know has touched you (doubt that some1 has even looked up after you)... But then again you come here post insulting replies and expect to be left alone... sry bud u did it yourself... Insulted my friends by this insulted me... I hope you are happy of yourself... Now go do your stuff and you can enjoy your lonеliness...
6th - You can always try Open SP - there will be no1 to bother you ... but in MP there are other ppl wich interract with each other , one way or another ... you can't beat it...
7th - About that rule when u are red u are my enemy - that is stupid - i hae grouped with red players and we had loads of fun...
P.S. I am expecting your filled with insults and genius ideas reply to this...But don't forget - you are just one player - and no1 is playing by our rules - we all share and observe the same rules...
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Then no-one would ever get shot at cos they don't seem to bother getting the right rep.
My current rep on bloodfrenzy is neutral to the Farmers alliance, friendly to all other pirate groups and hated by everyone else.
Yet practically EVERYONE else still comes up as white on my HUD. So far Vtec's cruiser and wolf's 8492nd chars are the ONLY ones I've seen as bloodfrenzy who are red on my HUD.
Don't have a go at people trying to Role-Play on an Role-Playing server. The NPC's don't discriminate between factions and freelancers so why should players have to?
And could you explain exactly to everyone how the ******* hell phantoms or anyone else are supposed to pirate faction traders (or any traders for that matter) when they log off as soon as two or more phantoms / pirates group together?
I know that most people's traders are freelance, not tagged for the / any faction they are in. So how are we suppose to tell which ones are trading for themselves, for fun, or for a faction?
If you want more server rules then try thinking from another point of view. Plus any new rules that are considered need to be enforced too.
Personally if we need new rules they should be:-
Pirates MUST have to right rep and can only pirate players who are red on the HUD.
Traders MUST have the right rep and be tagged as either faction or freelance traders.
Terrorists MUST have the right rep and CANNOT pirate any traders, they MUST try to destroy them.
Lawful faction players HAVE to respond to help messages sent by traders in that faction's home system ONLY.
And the problems with these rules? They are one's I'd like to see so not everyone will agree that they are needed or wanted.
Plus theres no way to enforce any of them without igiss and wolf having to trawl through the entire player database to check faction reps and fix them.
I am not going to ask them to go to all that trouble because they have enough to do now.
If you want to be left alone SAY SO!
We're not mind-readers. I will respect ANY un-tagged player's wish to be left alone.
Just because we're role-playing as terrorists DOES NOT mean we're a bunch of trigger-happy idiots.
Why the hell shoud some pirate get to love the local NPC's and then attack someone who is also aligned with them?!?
Even the backup of some navy avengers or bounty hunters may aid in the traders escape.
And another thing - pirate/terrorist ships. What chance has a law abiding figher have against a cruiser or a BS?!?
I seen this guy called 'orderBS-isis' or sumthin like that, he was white on my hud(and i had proper trader rep), and, in an osiris.
So i didnt take much notice, i thought he was just an order guy(who are now not hostile to anyone apart from nomads) and then he shot me with a BATTLE RAZOR. He gave no warning.
Things that mainly pissed me off about that:
1) He was in a BS. Kinda unfair.
2) He gave no warning.
3) He did not show red on my scope.
From my reading of the server rules you don't have to give a warning before opening fire. Though if they are white on your HUD it'd be polite at least.
Though since no-one seems to have the proper rep it might be a good idea to make it a server rule.
I know being mobbed by NPCs is annoying, I've gotten use to it and they supply me with any and all bots and batts I need, regardless of what ship I'm using, you can get quite rich just from hitting the odd NPc train or transport.
If people keep getting worked up over players attacking them then maybe we should consider turning the option for players being able to damage other players off.
Then we'll only have the NPCs to fight which would be boring.
This arguement is never going to be resolved so all sides are happy. Just dropping it isn't going to do any good either.
Like I said before, the rep rules CANNOT be enforced unless igiss and wolf go through the player database which would be a waste of time as people would either try to change their rep back or just leave the server.
We need another solution here as trusting players to get the right rep seems to be failing.
1. Rep rules can be enforced... Server rules 2.4, even though it's only for Faction affiliated characters, if u see a pirate faction character not getting chased around by the local police or BH, take a screenshot and post a complaint... (Keep in mind some pirate factions are not hostile to all houses)
2. To deal with the attacking of traders, make it manditory to give a warning demand, but do not delay in attacking. My idea, you've got from the time I start shooting at you until I kill you to drop the cargo that was requested which should be more than enough time to jettison. Piracy should work the same way for players as NPCs, don't demand cash, demand the cargo.
3. Don't complain about how unfair a pirate BS is compared to a lawful fighter, for the most part it's usually the pirates running into house capships and being called a coward when they run, either to save themselves from the capship or the swarm or navy/police NPCs who have the capacity to pilot MK2 versions of house fighters. (even pirate NPCs don't have these upgraded MK2 versions of thier ships, correct me if my statement is wrong)
4. No one needs warn you so long as they don't drag your shields down past the 1/2 way mark, where it is still considered "shooting for fun" as opposed to starting PvP.
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Look, normally Im a rather nice guy, not much given to using harsh language. But in this case I needed to went some steam.
Let me try to explain:
When I started playing, a looong time ago, there were no factions or clans. People were friendly, gave noobs a few millions, and concentrated on earning enough money to buy one of the big ships. That was why most people played on the server, to get access to the big capital ships.
Then more and more people began playing. And they banded together into clans later renamed factions. And then all hell broke lose. War swept through the server, players went nuts and fired at everything that moved. After a while it thankfully seemed that things had calmed down. Wars became regulated affairs and a dedicated PvP area was created. But now things are going the wrong way again. First we had the pirate factions who clamed the right to fire at any trader they came across. Then came the terrorist factions, claiming the right to attack everyone on the server.
Im sick and tired of feeling like a duck during hunting season. Sick and tired of spending more time worrying about whos online, and where they are, than playing. Its just not fun anymore. The fact that I spend more time planning my routes when flying, rather than the flying itself, speaks volumes about the threat of pirates as it is now. Its just not fun anymore. Im playing online in order to meet other people and play with them, not to try to get as far away from them as possible.
Truth is that Ive simply had it! It seems that the pirate and terrorist factions have completely taken over this server. They dictate who lives and who dies. And if you dare speak out against them, youre immediately threatened with a dedicated headhunt. Thats just wrong!
Im sick and tired of this cat and mouse game. Of not being able to go where I want to, when I want to. We should all be allowed to play here. The universe is a big place why try to force your views with death threats and headhunts?
Actually, I think that marauders suggestions are good. But can they be implemented? Would people abide by them? The aggressive stance that most of the pirate and terrorist factions have taken seems to suggest, at least to me, that theyre not really interested in rules and regulations. They just want to fight
1.2 If a player is attacked*, he has a right to defend himself regardless of who is attacking. There are no restrictions for self-defense.
1.3 Attacking characters of level 29 and below is prohibited. Characters under level 30 can be attacked only (1) if grouped with another character of level 30 or higher, (2) if spotted on site of a clan battle, and (3) if the attacker is himself level 29 and below.
1.4 Characters escorted by another character of level 30 or higher can be attacked regardless of their level.
1.5 During a PvP combat player who was killed 3 times should leave the fight, unless sides specify another limit of deaths before the combat begins. Sides should specify goals of the fight and exact time when it begins (and ends).
1.6 Self-killing with a Nova-type weapon or any other weapon is counted as a normal PvP death.
*For purposes of these Rules occasional shooting or shooting "for fun" does not count as an attack if it does not result in draining shields to 50% or lower or hull damage. Self-defense does not count as attack.
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f2k,May 15 2006, 10:01 AM Wrote:Marauder and Korrd, that attitude just pisses me of. So, everybody has to play by your rules? Do as you say or be killed? What a lot of BS! If you ever attack me without warning, youd better be red on my HUD, or Ill report you to Igiss for violating server rules.
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Look at what I first quoted then youll see that they would break no server rules at all. Nowhere will you find anything that warrants PMing a mod. If you are above lvl 30, and outside New York, then youre simply at the mercy of every trigger happy person on the server. Just praise yourself lucky that some people are nice enough to actually warn you beforehand shooting at you. Nowhere does it say they have to.
On the other hand I fully understand why you got mad. If you have a simple freelancer character then it should be possible to be left alone, if you ask nicely for it. Of course factions characters are a completely different beast altogether.
Regarding how traders should act:
I see no reason to why traders shouldnt be able to camp to get away from people. Its the safest place to be, i.e. the best place to be, when attacked.
Personally Im only a trader (only got one char actually), and Im not going to hand over any money to any pirate. Im like a flying Scrooge. Except to newbies, and people with good enough reasons. If you want money, then shoot me. Im not going to complain, its your right to do so, but Im not going to peacefully let you do it. Im going to flee like crazy, its not my job to hand you money, its your job to get them from me. And youre going to work for it.
Heh, it even says in the server rules:
Server Rules Wrote:There are no restrictions for self-defense.
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And my self-defense will be to get to the nearest base as quickly as possible. Most sensible thing to do for a trader. At least thats what I think.
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