I didnt say his re-write was correct at all, what im saying is that simply it needs to be changed YES.
But in all fairness, we have history regardless of how bad it is..shouldnt it be used...granted most of the perceptions of us were, well and truly forged by others on this forum. It was a good lie told by those who just wanted our bases for themselves and in the end force us out of the game.
Many of the greatest lie's in history were told, to give people an excuse to justify their crimes!
What crimes you may asked, we are pointed at for power gaming...maybe our stations are power blocks, but as said before they are part of our lore.
As for power playing, look no further than the so called official leaders...point made!
Yes we made mistakes due to pressure being put on us from the trolls and clicks.
As for quiting, why should we? The game has to be diverse and with all types of players. If we all looked at comm's then what can we see, oh yes boredom...the only thing that has really developed, is the storyline for the game, afew extra restarts, ships and nothing more when it come to community(still the same people power playing the forums).
(02-20-2014, 01:39 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: Just to annoy a bit more, Its not me who actually wrote it - but I do like the way it is written, It goes without saying that because of the lastest comments , it proves that it is infact good. You see, no one likes to be told or imposed upon, so Im afraid youll just have to get use to the fact that not everyone is liable to suck up to anyone, and despite your efforts, it will not go back down - it stands firm.
So in Tel-Aviv world, when there's mass negative feedback you just disregard it and assume that you're right any everyone's wrong?
(02-20-2014, 01:39 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: You see, no one likes to be told or imposed upon, so Im afraid youll just have to get use to the fact that not everyone is liable to suck up to anyone, and despite your efforts, it will not go back down - it stands firm.
Alright, we'll all get use to your cancerous lore. Again. And the caps fleet which everyone hates. Again.
So, the Zoner Alliance is giving the community the middle finger, how will people react?
No no, the middle finger is pointed as the usual complainers who were quick to whine and complain here, as they do in every other thread - surely you can notice that dont you? - So, theres no bad feeling towards anyone who didnt actually alligned themselves on the bangwagon against us. Theres plenty of other factions that can be played with, and plenty of chances to rp with them - if you really think that The Order is the reason why were gonna back down, im afraid you are delusional, and I won't even mention the fact that during tommy's time, the faction had a good standing - but since this guy came in, oh well.
(02-20-2014, 01:39 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: Just to annoy a bit more, Its not me who actually wrote it - but I do like the way it is written, It goes without saying that because of the lastest comments , it proves that it is infact good. You see, no one likes to be told or imposed upon, so Im afraid youll just have to get use to the fact that not everyone is liable to suck up to anyone, and despite your efforts, it will not go back down - it stands firm.
Ye, Tel. You just proved how ridiculous your faction is. Is that your objective? To 'impose' your ideas upon the others? Then why do you complain about Phoenix/Order doing the same? You are a troll yourself, what has been proven by a couple sanctions you already got for that behavior. I am sorry I tried to talk in a civilized level. You can't understand that. So, I guess its hunting season again after all. Sad.
(02-20-2014, 01:39 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: Just to annoy a bit more, Its not me who actually wrote it - but I do like the way it is written, It goes without saying that because of the lastest comments , it proves that it is infact good. You see, no one likes to be told or imposed upon, so Im afraid youll just have to get use to the fact that not everyone is liable to suck up to anyone, and despite your efforts, it will not go back down - it stands firm.
Ye, Tel. You just proved how ridiculous your faction is. Is that your objective? To 'impose' your ideas upon the others? Then why do you complain about Phoenix/Order doing the same? You are a troll yourself, what has been proven by a couple sanctions you already got for that behavior. I am sorry I tried to talk in a civilized level. You can't understand that. So, I guess its hunting season again after all. Sad.
Let me say this in proper english, thats the stated goal, its not going to happen, and you wont find us debating other factions into joining us, The original goal is to : Research develop technology - Perhaps you can have a look at the first post and read it before saying anything else.
And despite what you may think, we have nothing against anyone, except Omicron - who did his best to ruin us just to raise his activity bar.
(02-20-2014, 02:11 PM)Omicega Wrote: My condolences to all those poor other folks out in the Omicrons.
Are you kidding?
The two largest amounts of fun I've had here as an Rp'er; AI| verses GMG| (where both sides Rp'ed and all was enjoyable), and AI|/Order/Core/Solar|/Corsairs/TAZ/Phoenix verses ZA| (where all the good guys Rped, had fun, and all was enjoyable).
ZA's return is extremely healthy for the Omicron factions - it gives them something to get active for - I'm being deathly serious here. Yes, January to Summer 2013 was terrible but (God save me) I find myself temporarily agreeing with Zoner Trader/Kim Jong Udent; whatever idiocy ensues, we will all have vast amounts of fun just laughing over the whole fluster cluck.
My condolences to the Admins and Mods who are going to have to deal with the collateral.
stop stealing my mod color!
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Gotta admit I didn't read the whole first post Tel, and I think most of the people barking at you here just do it because they like to, but there is something in the part that I read that I think should be changed.
Generally, you tend to say that "all the Zoners" were like this, or like that, and they all did this and all decided that, and then they made a really big militia out of all the Zoners militias. Maybe I'm getting some of it wrong, but this is my impression from the part I read.
Fact is a lot of Zoner players and player factions here don't seem to agree with anything you say. It doesn't really matter who is right and who is wrong. Fact is that your declarations and descriptions kind of say that all Zoners united and created the ZA. But in fact, there seem to be more zoners players that have no intention of joining any sort of militia as you describe it.
So, I don't think all Zoners should be pacifists or doormats or hippies or discordians or what ever, I think Zoners can be just as aggressive, paranoid, delusional, greedy, ambitious, megalomaniac, as everyone else in Sirius can.
What I'd advise you to do (out of my own limited perspective) is to not claim to be something that all or even most Zoners would agree on. Instead, make yourself just a small faction of the Zoners, and concentrate on thinking up a story where this faction got the resources to build what ever you want to build. For example make yourself a group of Zoners that originate from Corsairs, Order defectors, Core defectors, house refugees, house fortune seekers, that made great amounts of cash and gained resources by selling nomad artifacts, remains, and technology on the black market, to various clients.
But I guess in truth, you're gonna get yelled at no matter what you do, just because people like to yell at people.
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(02-20-2014, 02:43 PM)Spud Wrote: Gotta admit I didn't read the whole first post Tel, and I think most of the people barking at you here just do it because they like to, but there is something in the part that I read that I think should be changed.
Generally, you tend to say that "all the Zoners" were like this, or like that, and they all did this and all decided that, and then they made a really big militia out of all the Zoners militias. Maybe I'm getting some of it wrong, but this is my impression from the part I read.
Fact is a lot of Zoner players and player factions here don't seem to agree with anything you say. It doesn't really matter who is right and who is wrong. Fact is that your declarations and descriptions kind of say that all Zoners units and created the ZA. But in fact, there seem to be more Zoners that have no intention of joining any sort of militia as you describe it.
So, I don't think all Zoners should be pacifists or doormats or hippies or discordians or what ever, I think Zoners can be just as aggressive, paranoid, delusional, greedy, ambitious, megalomaniac, as everyone else in Sirius can.
What I'd advise you to do (out of my own limited perspective) is to not claim to be something that all or even most Zoners would agree on. Instead, make yourself just a small faction of the Zoners, and concentrate on thinking up a story where this faction got the resources to build what ever you want to build. For example make yourself a group of Zoners that originate from Corsairs, Order defectors, Core defectors, house refugees, house fortune seekers, that made great amounts of cash and gained resources by selling nomad artifacts, remains, and technology on the black market, to various sources.
But I guess in truth, you're gonna get yelled at no matter what you do, just because people like yell at people.
Quite. Yes - all of last summer was the backlash of dem' irksome humans not quite equating to empyrean summits of ethical moralism, and we're all whiny infantiles before the incorrigible bastion of those bearing niche perspectives, who possibly did not participate in the occurrence when it occurred, nor has fielded extensive dialogues with every facet concerned, hm?
Zoners can kick arse - there's no particular lore reasons why they shouldn't. However, they are obligated by in game functionality to stick to the restrictions of their ID. Furthering this under (the no doubt restrictive, hackneyed, optional gastric band of) the Discovery 24/7 Server Rules; an unofficial faction based around another faction is expected to pay a certain level of RP dividends towards the official ID holder, and not exercise the contrary by, say, claiming their installations with an infinite supply of Space Marines, and fringe upon those that (rightfully) they should term allies.
A little grey matter hither and thither wouldn't run amiss.
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(02-20-2014, 02:51 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: No imposing intended, this is just an attempt to make sense of the not sense. haters gonna hate. Thanks for the feedback.
We don't hate ZA's existence; ZA promotes faction activity within the Omicrons. Personally, we hate nor detest nothing as per Disco being a virtual environ. Any concern we show is aimed at your lack of concern for direct gameplay consequences, metarisk, power gaming, in game flaming, griefing and Oorp in an InRp environment.
Stop with the asinine and we'll all stop hating. Straight away. It's likely that we could even talk amicably under such a circumstance - and it wouldn't cost you anything.
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If you believe other factions and houses are against your very group, here's a rundown what you've to expect should your group ever cause problems around maltese space.
Stay out of the upper Omicrons, or we stomp you into the ground.
Stay out of the Taus, or we stomp you into the ground.
Think you're having a say about what happens around maltese space, and we stomp you into the ground.
And for the love of god. Never bring any of your capships into maltese contested territory, or... guess? Right. We stomp you into the ground.
But I take the Royals will have taken care of your group before we actually cba to deal with you.
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