First things first. PoBs are a mistake. They do appear as something helpful to the community and the mod progress in general, but every good thing gets to be abused right?
And PoBs have been abused by many, in the way of OORP supplying, OORP defending, powergaming/metagaming sieges and defenses, JH blocking, powermining and so on.
But, all of these involve RL time over something that is considered unethical in terms of RP. So, they cant be punished either. It is something that was bought into this mod with the hope of better things, but it has turned out to be a emotinal atachment to the players and any harm to it would surely make them go beserk. Who would have thought in their wildest dreams that this would be the outcome?
(05-28-2014, 07:48 AM)|nfrared Wrote: This is the problem right here. This should never be allowed to happen, or what is the point of striving for Official status and a Core 5? Balance is the issue here, not players.
Aaaaaand until balance happens, you can't do much more than to deal with players.
Quote:Two days are way enough already for a base owner to reinforce a core 4 to invincibility, and you ask for a week? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
This is a mute point since the shield now only protects against 97% of the damage. Even if you give the person 2 weeks notice before the siege starts he cannot make the Base invincible.
With 10 Battleships, all with 3 Cerbs, you can take a Core 4 Bases, with all 3 Repair Materials, in approx 1.5 hours. 9 BSs do enough damage to equal the repair rate and the 10th starts doing the damage.
30 x 45000 x 0.03 = 40500 damage per second (10 BSs all with 3 Cerbs)
(180000 x 4)/20 = 36000 repaired damage per second (Core 4 Base with all repair materials.
40500 - 36000 = 4500 damage done to the Base every second.
24000000/4500 = 5333 seconds to kill the Core 4 Base or 1.48 Hours (approx 90 minutes).
In that 1.5 hours the Base would have used 2160 of each repair Commodity.
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(05-27-2014, 10:00 PM)Katana Wrote: You're probably taking things from the OORP perspective, take this way, would any military power stay silent against a base that doesn't allow them to dock on? having a base that doesn't give them rights to dock is a serious matter of violation to national security, It means that there's a big possibility of Unlawful actions, and even maybe treason.
48 hours are a fair time for the owner of the base to reply, as military faction RP every second counts, and it's the age of quickness now,.
A base is a big responsibility, You may have taken months in building it, But if you don't respect the rules and laws regarding the base, you should expect something like this.
And don't bring any base destruction RP to the Hone incident
In the same train of thought, isn't it odd that those same military powers can remain silent about the unlawfull bases that exist for a long time in their core systems (Kaiselauten, Kagoshima, Ouray, etc.) just because they are permanent, but can easily find and dispatch a battlegroup to eliminate any of the "new" stations that appear in remote systems?
One has to wonder, is the Pob vulnerability oorp, or is it the npc base invulnerability the oorp thing instead?
Priorities, sometimes Military forces have more important things to do, once a base is Core 4 it's now powerful. But If it deosn't make a clear direct strong threat, military forces can wait about it, I.E Bretonia is in war with Gallia, They can't waste firepower and time on a base that doesn't make a threat for the time being, Time can be given until other matters are sorted out.
And about the time matter again, as many others declared 2 days are way more enough for a base owner to save his base, while he should do nothing except replying, However if the missed the time and replied later, There can be a chance for him to save his base depending on the Law enforcers' generosity.
On another note, You declared that you're not the base's owner, then you had no right to reply in the communication channel, that action is also considered violation.
(05-28-2014, 08:24 AM)Snak3 Wrote: PoBs used for defending gates/holes is bad, as it doesn't promote further interactions.
Unless it's a un-defended and restricted guard/secret research system, i.e Alaska, Omicron 100.
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Im just going to point a few things out here. PoBs are built at the players own risk. If they would like the base to be legal, then they have to follow all the laws of the said house they lie in. This includes all docking rights. Right? There have been other posts that have had alot less rp to attack a base. It was their choise to ignore the post sent to the owners then they will have to suffer the things that come after. It was discussed with SMI-Great.Fox about how long we should wait and actions to happen if they didnt reply. The owner didnt reply and thus actions were taken. If we're going to make threats, we have to carry them though. We cant exactly storm the base and take control of it, can we?
(05-29-2014, 06:43 PM)Snoopyman Wrote: Im just going to point a few things out here. PoBs are built at the players own risk. If they would like the base to be legal, then they have to follow all the laws of the said house they lie in. This includes all docking rights. Right? There have been other posts that have had alot less rp to attack a base. It was their choise to ignore the post sent to the owners then they will have to suffer the things that come after. It was discussed with SMI-Great.Fox about how long we should wait and actions to happen if they didnt reply. The owner didnt reply and thus actions were taken. If we're going to make threats, we have to carry them though. We cant exactly storm the base and take control of it, can we?
No, you can't. However, you could provide a little more time for the base owner to respond. You could also make sure that everyone that is allowed to attack the base is listed in the Declaration Thread. Good Lord, there was a bunch of players attacking that base that weren't "Bretonia Lawful". One faction posted their intent to attack after they already started and their only RP was to leach off of your RP link.
You all could have done better.
Edit: I did notice the RP link on the Declaration thread on behalf of the Council accepting support request, which is excellent. Should have been posted prior to attack though.
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I thought by Bretonian Lawfuls i meant all BPA, BAF and BIS (Including Indi) Pilots. I'll go and change that now. At least we gave them some time. There have been so so many others that have posted in Message Dumps saying that they're going to attack them or they were addressed to official factions/IDs as such to engage. Here are a few examples
At least we gave them some time to respond. At least we let them know personally that their base was going to be attacked.
Quote:One faction posted their intent to attack after they already started and their only RP was to leach off of your RP link.
With that, i couldn't have done anything about that. But honestly, i think the RP we have set out was enough. We told them what was wrong, and what lore they was breaching. We gave them a little time to post. And then we've told them that we're going to be attacking their base. They've still got time to post now. Their base is still there. Things can still be solved.