If multifactioning was illegal... what would you do?

[sovereign]

Remember my Rheinland example? That's only possible because we all share intel. Our characters remain in the dark, but we'll plan ambushes here and there. When we do that, the ambusher and ambushee have to be aware to make it work. Characters are surprised, players aren't. If we don't do it like that, then it tends to end badly and result in a lot of sour feelings.

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[Cawdor]

Well, we've had our little poll, and our little stone-throwing exercise.

I was the other party who was involved. Take your shots right here if you wish.

When there are two BAF camping above NT, and a KNF member is too "busy" trading, then I am tempted to question that person's loyalty and dedication to the KNF. Sorry, but I am.

Likewise, the argument that you can amicably belong to two hostile and competitive factions and maintain balance, without being tempted to "share" intel with the competing faction is just too far a stretch, considering human nature.

Badmouthing the CR because they require a certain level of loyalty, or Darkwing because they demand it, doesn't really prove your point either, Blackie; as I consider both to have earned respect and succsess here on Disco.

Stone away.

Well then read again. I dont have a problem with them having that code. actually CR is a nice bunch since they are basically a clan but still allow you into the lower ranks. but still, if you only have one faction, you push it beyond its borders to be able to play as many aspects of the game as possible.

On a different note, I enjoy multifactioning more and more with each day that passes by. If doesnt feel like i belong to a faction but a community. In our "Rheinland Unlawfuls" chat, we have several corsairs and RM/RFPs hanging around. so if we want to have some action on the server, we just simply have a talk, organize some people for both sides, have one or the other switching for balance and go out there and have fun - RP propaganda first, some decent PvP afterwards. i really wouldn't want to miss it.

Also, I am affraid that the competitive aspects of clans might spoil the RP too hard. Since you always have to loose inRP. its just a part of the paying method. but that feels really hard if you are limited to only one of those factions. at least it would for me.

Anyway, I am sorry that your little discussions got spoiled and thrown into this thread, but as a mulitfactionist, its hard for me to hold back, so you may throw some stones back if you like:)

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[Raekur]

ok, lets clear up one thing first and formost.
Multi-Factioning - Being part of multiple factions - OK
Multi-Clanning - Being part of LN and SOB and OPG and RAHF - Not ok.

Maybe the discussion should go more towards taking that into account.
I see no problem with people being independents in multiple factions as they are not involved in the decision making and politics. Being part of multiple clans can cause problems with the politics.
Case in point, the LN vs DW. In this situation the LN voiced that they did not want DW capitals in liberty due to 1 ship using more then 2 missiles and that DW supposedly hunted in packs of gunboats.
While both of these arguments could be a valid reason for taking this position, the issue was that it did not apply equally towards all BH or even to the LN itself.

So why was DW focused upon so heavily if the issue did not originate from the perspective of the LN?
It was due to DW attacks against certain smugglers who have either LN characters or are friends with certain LN characters. But that is more of a metagaming issue that happends from multi-clanning.
(And no, that is not a theory but information that was passed on to me from the source)

[Cawdor]

Um thing is, what (no offense, really) you didnt understand about the discovery community is, that player factions are NOT clans
Player-factions can not be found on any other server or game, they only exist to server THIS server's RP and community. Thats why you can hop around them as much as you like. Now, there are some "imported" clans like you, CR, KoF, SOB and OPG. but those "factions" are exceptions. I am not exactly into SOB and OPG politics, but as far as I know, they allow multifactioning because they A) settled down in disco and became part of the community or B) Still are a clan with members that don't multi-clan but run their open player faction on disco.

As a factionleader you always offer your service to the members of this communty: you allow them to join a tightly RPing group of players who enjoy a particular NPC faction thus offer them a team play experience based on the aspects those players like to RP from time to time.

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[sovereign]

Is there some magical thing that makes having an SOB different from having an Outcast? Removing the tag from your name does not help your RP (while having it implies a certain basic standard of it). LN is not a clan. VF is not a clan. Both exist as roleplaying entities on the Discovery RP 24/7 Freelancer Server. DW is a clan. You guys exist on multiple servers. Joining multiple clans is a problem, yes. But factions aren't clans. LN is a faction. VF is a faction. DW is a clan. KoF is a weird mix between them. OPG was a clan but is now a faction. Having an OPG char does not mean you follow the other OPG if they decide to switch servers. Having a DW char does. Do you understand? The problems you are referring to assume that all official factions are clans. They aren't, and will never be.

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[Raekur]

No soverign, the point your missing is that untagged faction members DONT make policies for that faction.
That is the right of the tagged faction or Clan as i call them. There is a major difference between an untagged outcast and a RoS. The RoS and 101st make the rules regarding Outcast actions and as a clan are answerable for when those policies are violated (or did you miss the outcast capital ship registry).
An independent can not become an official faction. Only a clan can become a official faction and thus purchase a system.

A faction is the IDEALS you follow, the clan is WHO you follow, together they become the ROLE you play.

[Cawdor]

there be 3 _different_ things

- indies ( = INDEPENDENTS)
- Player Factions
- Clans


to get further informations about the difference between player-factions and clans, read the above posts.

Edit: I am leading VF and I tell ya it aint a clan. its official and we can buy a system. And it aint a clan. none of the player-factions I am member of is.

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[old.steel]

Ok, how about everyone read the topic again...

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[sovereign]

No soverign, the point your missing is that untagged faction members DONT make policies for that faction.

Now that is a better argument. But, the low ranking members of the LR- don't make LR policy. The leaders do. Same in all other factions. They don't need to write orders, if they want they are free to just follow them.

That is the right of the tagged faction or Clan as i call them.

>.<

DW is a clan. You guys move with the clan. If clan says "we go to server x" you go to server x or you leave the clan. LN is a faction. LR is a faction. If the leaders of either say "we're going to server x" the rest of the faction says "bye" and forms a new leadership.

HUGE difference.

There is a major difference between an untagged outcast and a RoS. The RoS and 101st make the rules regarding Outcast actions and as a clan are answerable for when those policies are violated (or did you miss the outcast capital ship registry).
An independent can not become an official faction. Only a clan can become a official faction and thus purchase a system.

Official faction != clan. Go to a faction creation request. Official factions start as ideas and incorporate groups of people. For example, Synth Foods started as "there's this awesome vanilla faction with cool RP that not enough people play. Here's my idea, who wants to join?" Clans start as groups of people and incorporate ideas. Clan y started as "hey guys, the name w is really cool, let's see what we can make with it". The LN can't decide they want to be LPI. DW could decide they want to be Zoners. Difference. See?

A faction is the IDEALS you follow, the clan is WHO you follow, together they become the ROLE you play.

Faction is the leadership you take orders from on that particular server. Clan is the group of people you follow from server to server. Role you play is set by either. Big difference.

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[Cawdor]

Ok, how about everyone read the topic again...

thought you had a problem with your little discussions being dragged into public?

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