So the outcasts are still playing the we will just blow stuff up card. Good luck with that. Mc Neo good points but the outcasts players always ignore them and relegate Junkers to irrelevance. If the Junkers don't do most of the smuggling who does?
Rogues - can't really land on lawfull planets.
Outcasts - can't really land on lawfull planets.
Smugglers - Independant smugglers would not be able to deliver the volume that Junkers could. The Junkers are more organized and have already established contacts and know who to bribe.
I think its the arrogance that the outcasts players show that have partialy led us down this road.
Ever thought what would happen were the tables turned and the Junkers had appointed an Outcast at Yanagi? How annoyed the Corsairs would be?
If we were to look at it from a perfectly RP perpective, the OC would be (and are) in utter outrage. The Corsairs would be as well.
Now, how is playing our part as Outcasts being arrogant? Does playing a character make me arrogant? does responding in the most logical way for that character make me, personally, as an individual player arrogant?
Please take that back, I'm more than just a little offended.
What makes outcasts players arrogant is the fact that they always resort to: well we have bigger ships than you and can smash you into the ground. Eppy has said it on several times. Remember when the BLS tried to corner the cardi market? I have been told that as a Junker by outcasts players that I should shut up collect scrap. Never once has a corsair acted this way towards me.
Look at how the corsairs handled it. They had a meeting with their leaders and made it clear they wanted Tink and Green Hawk there. They let him say what he had to say then they made a decision. That is politics. The outcasts responded with destroyers. I thought mafia dons would look at the situtuation at Yanagi then approach the congress and have a talk. They are smart guys they should have seen the appointment of a corsair as kind of a cry of we have had enough from the Junkers. But they didn't they fell back on the age old I have a bigger gun and you are stupid Junkers so do what we say.
' Wrote:dont you think your getting a bit big for your boots here tinker??? dont forget who you are now tinker mate.... your not a military your not even a corporation... your a buncha scrap heap tenders...... the junkers wouldnt make this move... because frankly they would get steam rolled... think it through bud.
Sounds fairly arrogant to me. Sounds like: Don't forget your place boy. Its right under my boot heel.
Edit: Remeber the Junker Congress was founded by the Junker Guards party. A group of Junkers that are much more agressive than other Junkers. We are not the sit down and shut up type.
With all that being said I really like the outcasts they are an awesome group. I just wish they would give respect to others.
no that is plain truth Culebra, not arrogance.... the junkers are nothing but scrap heap tenders in comparison to the outcasts..... and would not make such a stupid move.
this is like wales trying to start a war with england.
it just would not happen.
giving power to a corsair someone who helps the hogosha your number one most hated enemy, and then expecting the other side to just sit back and go hey no problem .... is a rather stupid thing to do no?
please tell me the logic in that.... please
EDIT: what you dont seem to realise bud, is the Junkers dont like corsairs.... infact they nie on despise em, the only thing stopping them from breaking neutrality is the precise reason the outcasts are on you right now, you do something stupid you will be destroyed, cause frankly.... the junkers in comparison to firepower, manpower, territory and everything else is just like someone under a boot
hence the arrogance.... because it is well placed. This move is getting to big for the junkers boots
' Wrote:no that is plain truth Culebra, not arrogance.... the junkers are nothing but scrap heap tenders in comparison to the outcasts..... and would not make such a stupid move.
this is like wales trying to start a war with england.
it just would not happen.
giving power to a corsair someone who helps the hogosha your number one most hated enemy, and then expecting the other side to just sit back and go hey no problem .... is a rather stupid thing to do no?
please tell me the logic in that.... please
EDIT: what you dont seem to realise bud, is the Junkers dont like corsairs.... infact they nie on despise em, the only thing stopping them from breaking neutrality is the precise reason the outcasts are on you right now, you do something stupid you will be destroyed, cause frankly.... the junkers in comparison to firepower, manpower, territory and everything else is just like someone under a boot
hence the arrogance.... because it is well placed. This move is getting to big for the junkers boots
Ok let me go down the list here.
Your truth is in your own head. Junker are not just scrap heap tenders. We are smugglers, business men, scientists, the list goes on and on. Please don't try to shove us all in a forced RP of scrap herders.
We are not trying to start a war. If anyone is its you.
Hogasha are not the Junkers #1 enemy. They hate us. Most Junkers see hogosha as an annoyance. I have never even seen one. Also we do not despise corsairs you do. I have no idea where you go this from.
As far as firepower heh if you only knew. Part of the reason people were against the congress was they didn't want Junkers to have any power. I see that train of though continues. Well its too late now. We will not be destroyed by any faction except maybe the nomads if they get mad enough. The criminals of Sirius need us. Now you guys don't RP it that way but that is how the lore of freelancer was built.
Please, please, please stop telling us how to play Junkers. We don't tell you how to play outcasts.
Starting to see the arrogance yet Jihadjoe?
And for the record Cesar is not happy about a non Junker running out base. But he will defend other Junker from any aggressor.
Freighters -> basically a fighter more advanced than house military ships in themselves....
and i dunno where you get the idea the hogosha aint your #1 enemy... maybe you should read your own RP mate..... and i dunno where you get you like the corsairs again.... best read your own RP .....
Planet full of people -> few backwater bases
Scientists -> amazing science mate, freighters collecting scrap in the sigma 13 junk field and NY junk field.... never noticed every junker base is in amongst a debri field? no i guess you hadnt
they aint called junkers for the hell of it mate, they do precisely just that ..... take junk... destroy things and salvage em for parts.... the only smuggeling junkers do is FOR the outcasts might i add who give you a vast ammount of money
' Wrote:Freighters -> basically a fighter more advanced than house military ships in themselves....
and i dunno where you get the idea the hogosha aint your #1 enemy... maybe you should read your own RP mate..... and i dunno where you get you like the corsairs again.... best read your own RP .....
Planet full of people -> few backwater bases
Scientists -> amazing science mate, freighters collecting scrap in the sigma 13 junk field and NY junk field.... never noticed every junker base is in amongst a debri field? no i guess you hadnt
they aint called junkers for the hell of it mate, they do precisely just that ..... take junk... destroy things and salvage em for parts.... the only smuggeling junkers do is FOR the outcasts might i add who give you a vast ammount of money
I do read my own RP show me where it says what you are saying.
I guess this is not a RP server where characters can grow. If that is the case how did you group even get into Sirius. You are not even real outcasts. If I am to be forever stuck as a scrap herder then you should rewrite your own RP to actually have something to do with freelancer.
They are the ones who bring the Cardi to Manhatten, New Berlin, New London.
They are the ones who provide a safe haven.
They are the ones who CONTROL the black market.
They are the ones who have influence in every criminal organisation (Save Hogosha and Xenos. Though they do influence them still)
The Junkers are involved in nearly everything throughout Sirius. They are quite possibily one of the most powerful factions in the entirety of Freelancer. They merely use that power to get money.
You cross them, you die. The only reason the Hogosha are around is because the Junkers have little influence in Kusari, but still some (Hence the hostility). The Xenos keep to themselves and thus protect themselves from them.
im still waiting on your logic for letting a Corsair run a base.... in between almost every outcast allied faction in the game.
and you think this would not anger atleast one of them?
and no the junkers do not run the black market .... the hogosha prevent that from happening mostly, hence the reason the 2 cannot stand each other.... the junkers want to get into kusari... yet they cannot.... they are basically the only ones who stand in the junkers way from running the blackmarket throughout sirius. and THAT is the reason why the junkers despise them, infact..... if would check... the only people the junkers actively fight is the hogosha, vice versa for the hogosha themselves... the only people they actively fight is the junkers....
and as for RoS not being full blooded outcasts.... never once have i stated they where... and if you care to look at our story.... theres a full page of writting on how we got to sirius infact 2 full pages worth of it.
now i would appreciate it if you wouldnt bash someone else's RP when noone has done so to you.... why dont you try some common courtesy eh? try not to take things so personal eh? its only a game
' Wrote:Your truth is in your own head. Junker are not just scrap heap tenders. We are smugglers, business men, scientists, the list goes on and on. Please don't try to shove us all in a forced RP of scrap herders.
I wholeheartedly agree, The Junkers are businessmen, and scientists etc.
' Wrote:We are not trying to start a war. If anyone is its you.
Actually, we are trying to protect our profits. Most criminal organisations and smuggling rings work based on bribery, violence and threats.
The OUtcasts have attempted diplomatic contact, you appear to have missed this.
' Wrote:Hogasha are not the Junkers #1 enemy. They hate us. Most Junkers see hogosha as an annoyance. I have never even seen one. Also we do not despise corsairs you do. I have no idea where you go this from.
Hogosha and bounty hunters are the only real enemies for the Junkers. also, it states very clearly in the infocard for junkers that they carefully maintain neutrality in the Corsair/Outcast war. To maintian nuetrality you don't show favouritism. The Outcasts have supplied you with an extremely profitable source of drugs for many years, then the Junkers employ a Corsair. The Outcasts respect the neutral stance and don't push the junkers to take a side in the war, however you -still- do something that would enrage any Outcast. Please answer this comment. Does this, or does this not, show favouritism? Motive or not, this -is- favouritism.
' Wrote:As far as firepower heh if you only knew. Part of the reason people were against the congress was they didn't want Junkers to have any power. I see that train of though continues. Well its too late now. We will not be destroyed by any faction except maybe the nomads if they get mad enough. The criminals of Sirius need us. Now you guys don't RP it that way but that is how the lore of freelancer was built.
Infact we are RPing it that way, we are so concerned that there is a Corsair who could cut our profits (especialy into Rhienland) being employed by an apparently neutral party, that we have found ourselves deserately resorting to threats after our calm diplomatic messages were ignored. We have stepped up the pressure.
' Wrote:Please, please, please stop telling us how to play Junkers. We don't tell you how to play outcasts.
Starting to see the arrogance yet JihadJoe?
And for the record Cesar is not happy about a non Junker running out base. But he will defend other Junker from any aggressor.
I have at no point attempted to tell you how to roleplay, we have been discussing in an ooc way, the roleplay that is going on. You have assumed that our anger in character is somehow reflected by anger ooc. You're wrong. Its not.
I see no uniform arrogance Culebra. Remember, as you said, the truth is in your head, you see arrogance? well for you its true then. I don't, thus for me it's offensive for you to label -all- outcast players as such.