Rule Discussion: Bounty Hunters

[ryoken]

Ok, it's been said many times already. In game bounties are fine, as long as they are posted shortly after the target is engaged by the hunter. Getting involved in a fight is ok, as long as you're invited in by the lawful side, and they're gonna pay you for it.


What I don't understand is why bounty hunters are so dead set against hunting bounties. Why do they have to be a sirius wide police force? There's plenty of work out there. Ahhh yes, maybe the problem is that you have to go and look for it?

And take most of those blasted caps where they belong. You have a war going on against the Order. Go fight them.
If you're chasing a bounty on a cap, fair enough, use a cap of equal(ish) standing, or use a GB or bomber, and take a wingman or two and share the bounty!

Surely the whole point of bounty hunting is that you don't work if you're not getting paid. The clue is in the name, isn't it? So if you see a smuggler, and no-ones gonna pay you for intercepting them, you let them go on their merry way, or you tip off the police/navy. If you want to to a police/navy role and intercept smugglers, join a police or navy faction!

And before anyone starts bitching at me, YES I am a bounty hunter. Guess what. I hunt bounties. I get paid. What I'm not paid to do, I don't do.

/SIGNED.
I also have a BH in a bomber, and guess what? i do not go looking for pirate's to kill,and jump in on lawfull side in fight's. Why? because i am not paid to.
BH Cap's are made to take on Order cap's,and or unlawful's in caps who attack Bounty hunter space. I personally think no BH Cap's should enter any house space. They should stay outside military space,and deal with those who run from the law,and the order.
The rule's in my oppinion could even be made tougher IMO. The BH cap whores who ran around killing all in sight ruined it for those who were RP'n properly.
If you do not like it? to bloody bad. Make a new Char. I myself will continue to RP my BH bomber,as this IS a RP server.

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[Furball]

My experience:
I haz a pirate that has Zero kills. He's a harmless old drunk in a decrepit OC Dessie with no guns or shields.
Even when he had guns, he killed no-one...

(Note: I wanted to quote more from Angelfire-please read the whole post)

Angelfire . . . I see you out there, I owe you a drink on me. It's an honor to have players like you here and in the game.
I hope some of the "older" unlawfuls teach the baby pirates a thing or two.

There is a player in Stuttgart named "UDO", I send money to him - and have never seen his ship!
Says a lot about good role-play.

anyway - the new IDs will restrict the BHG severely ( as they restrict many other factions, no bias there ) - and many problems will vanish.... ( so will some players ) - ... and other problems will raise. ( like many more ooRP sanctions, i daresay )

We have issues in Real life/Real world with Pirates, in small motor boats, capturing ships with hulls close to 900 feet and lots of people and cargo at risk.
They have AK-47's . . . NOT 12 inch guns or cruise missiles.
The world is responding back and even ships are now for hire to escort Traders and Passenger ships around the Horn of Africa.
Hear a Mayday, ships respond!
As I said before, we have well armed Gun Happy un-lawful/Pirate players in packs, some with Nomad weapons (which an Admin stated to me was Legal) This to me throws the balance way-way off kilter here. I explained how my cruiser was no match for these players. And I was trying to avoid them as well and go hide in O-15.

Note: A long standing player here, very nice person.
He has a BH Battleship.
He was almost banned a week ago for helping someone and shooting a pirate.
He . . . like me, will do NPC missions in Omega-15 and never come out of that system.
We do not need the headache or hypocrisy.
So- Pirates can be what ever, go where ever . . . do whatever. It is a fact that is allowed.

On the flip side . . . A real life bounty hunter (Reality TV show) got locked up in Mexico for acting like a Cop.
We need to "tweek" a tag for us players . . . see my comment below.

I've pretty much have tried to keep my "fat out of the fire" by just sticking around the Outer Rim.

(Please read Megiddo's entire post)
Sounds like you're been around and seen more than I here.
You have valid points . . . and a some good ideas.
If Xenos with Nomad weps are allowed, this server needs to have something on the opposite end of that. As I said, things are very off balance.
I see no edge in having my BH Cruiser . . .
Mind you, I am very good at PVP (In a smaller ship) but blow up fast in my one and only BH Cap ship . . . so you are not on the money with your statement on that one. Sorry Bud.

I like that ship because well, I like it. Like having a Rolls Royce. I made the money, I deserve it.
I did Roll play in it. I Did Not go gun happy and I was thanked in private chat for that by other players many times.
We need to stop the Oh Look . . . a Cap whore is coming! personna.
(That comment is OORP by Pirates who seem to get away, Literally, with Murder)

The BH NPC's are a Sirius-wide police force. Limited by game mechanics of course. But in essence, they are not actually hunting bounties, they are killing pirates...everywhere.

Players can emulate the actions of every NPC to get a rough template of proper behavior, except for the BHG.

BINGO! Beat me to it romer.


So:
We have all kinds of wierd unlawfuls (as I explained in my earlier post) doing what ever.
We have some self rightious BH players messing it up for the rest, and these players maybe need really to be "Mercs" or "Military" . . . maybe. ;)
Anyone with credits can buy just about any ship no matter what. (Very Big mistake I think)

Solution.
Only a regulated CLAN of BH can get Cpaships. Players who have BH capships without a REAL CLAN ID are sanctioned.
You want to get a BH Cruiser or Battleship? You start out in a bomber, and learn under a mentor.
No ifs-Ands . . . or buts!!!

Same goes for all those Pirates and other players too!
No clan ID . . . No cap ship.
If a clan tagged Capship causes a problem . . . The clan will hear about it Pronto.

Let's start teaching the kids people and weed out the problem children . . . NOW!!!!!!

The .:j:. do this . . . and it works for them. Follow what they do and we will have less issues me thinks.


Do something now to make all those BH who are good people (Like me :) ) get a tag that matches what we like to do . . . Help people and Role play it!
I am not going to be a Vigilante . . . sorry.
How about what I did when I started . . . Interpol. (Inter-galactic Police) Something along those lines please. Just an idea, or revise the "Military" tag . . . I care not as long as it works.
Having a Cruiser or Battleship is not the End-all, Be-all for these players as these ships blow up very nicely.
Thank you in advance for fixing this mess.

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[Valori]

Wow. Quite a thread. I myself don't take bounties, my movements are mission specific, so you won't see me chasing down pirates or outlaws. I would answer a Mayday call, however, even if I wasn't getting paid for it... (personal conviction).

That said, if I'm fired upon, I will, of course, defend myself.

Best to you all.

Valori

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[Death Shadow]

What do i do now when there is no bounty on? Sign on another character?

That is what killed my faction a while ago...

Anyways, from a RP sense, bounty hunters love fighting, they just can't get enough of it. If there are no bounties available, they go around looking for a fight (trying to pick up some random loot).
I believe it is perfect RP for bounty hunters to attack any unlawful when they feel like it... they are naturally sworn enemies. It seems totally fair if the pirates can attack any trader they feel like.

My opinion, and I haven't even played here in a long time.

[bluntpencil2001]

That is what killed my faction a while ago...

Anyways, from a RP sense, bounty hunters love fighting, they just can't get enough of it. If there are no bounties available, they go around looking for a fight (trying to pick up some random loot).
I believe it is perfect RP for bounty hunters to attack any unlawful when they feel like it... they are naturally sworn enemies. It seems totally fair if the pirates can attack any trader they feel like.

My opinion, and I haven't even played here in a long time.

Attacking unlawfuls for free will kill their business.

I would never put up bounties if bounty hunters did it for free.

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[pchwang]

The reason why this rule exist is not because of why, but because of why not.

I feel that you are blowing this out of proportion here. All you need to do is keep a log of what jobs you take. The thing is, if the person who hired you doesn't make the post, but you do, then there is no reason that you are going to get punished.

Why not do this?

If your answer to that is: Because I'm too lazy to get on the forums...

I'm going to extend the claws and scratch you.

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[Derkylos]

Trader dosn't like getting pirated? Wants to call in someone that can take on the pirates? Join a trading faction (not necessarily a player faction).

Two of my traders are corporate tagged, and, if I run into pirates, I can be quite certain that the house forces will come to my aid.

The other one is a Junker, and, if he runs into trouble, there's no one to back him up. That's part of the fun, and the main reason that I chose my routes carefully (no artifact running through Dresden...what was I thinking?).

You run an independant trader, that's your choise, but don't complain if someone decides to steal your stuff, and you find yourself all alone.

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[El Nino]

@the first post: Let me give you my personal view on the matter at hand.

I don't care about BHG BC's coming in hot without saying a word and attacking me... and die miserably becouse i outskill them. But it looks pretty ugly, It's basicly like a pesty NPC, just that NPC's Give out communication, much more sometimes that Bounty Hunters... The joy's I have when a Bounty Hunter actually roleplays, I know now a few that do, They may engage me any time with their specialy nice Roleplay or in PVP. Thus I see this rule as something to hold them down...

There is also a perfectly good RP reason for BH not to randomly hunt pirates, it is dangerous and if it doesn't pay, why would you do it? So unless there is a bounty you are basicly risking your own time money and life to hunt out pirates. That is like pirates hunting traders for the joy of it, and not becouse they need supplies or money... It is not allowed for pirates to hunt traders without making demands, thus why should it be allowed for BHG to hunt pirates unless they have a bounty on their head.

It's quite simple their Name says it all, they hunt bounties... They are not called police, or military, or anything they have very direct goals. Wich don't include patroling the tradelanes...

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[Lt.Cmdr.Olsav]

I was moving my Cruiser to Dresden to get to O-15 when I got jumped near Bonn by 3 Xeno players . . . in fighters, armed with Nomad weps. All I saw was "Engage!"
I was toast in less than a minute in my "Cap ship".
I asked an Admin if this was all Kosher. (Not mad-Just thought it all very odd) He stated they were Coalition and it was OK. Fine with me. He even "thanked me" for not going off kilter.
So, we have players with Xeno IFF, in fighters and bombers, armed with Nomad weps, in house systems like New Berlin shooting everyone . . . but we can't be "good guys" and make an attempt to answer a "Mayday" or even find out where the "OK! 5 million or we start shooting!" is coming from.
In real life, I would stop to jump on a Mugger or prevent some wrong doing. Even a garbage barge would alter course to answer a "Mayday".
More of this weirdness and I sell the BH Cruiser and buy the Photo Camera Ship.

The 'pirates' you allege were officers of the SCRA my friend, please refrain from using the 'p' word about us lol. We are freedom fighters if you will, and we have Sirius wide ZoI.

We are good guys btw, we are a lawful faction at war with pretty much everyone else. BH just kill for money not for cause, and have come after us before, BH = dead.

Can't help you with the rest of that though, i personally think the BH rules are a tad draconian.

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[zeinstruktor]

Um... You're allowed to attack without a forum bounty.


As long as someone hires you in-game to help out in a fight, it's allowed.

e.g.
You're a pirate. Two lawfulls come after you. You see a Merc (or BH if the situation is reversed). You can hire him on the spot to help you out, you don't have to have a forum bounty posted.

On my merc, if a pirate hires me, I go around following him where ever he needs me, and defend him if he needs help. You don't need to have a bounty posted all the time...

Also, what bugs me is:

Pilot carrying this ID has joined the Bounty Hunters Guild. Bounty Hunter ID grants its owner right to fulfil bounty contracts, escort traders, hunt pirates and terrorists, participate in military operations on lawful side. Bounty Hunter ID owner cannot participate in any unlawful actions and trade on regular basis.

To me, a BH should be allowed to hunt pirates, since the ID clearly states that. The only problem then is seeing everyone and his brother with a BC attacking lone GBs and bombers...