Can I swear in Stories and Biographies?

[Thexare]

Like it or not though, my style drove you to post at least on the periphery of the subject.

That's a start at least...Now what's more important to you...complaining about me, or posting an opinion in the subject at hand?

I've posted two threads in the past trying to get rid of this idiotic filter. The reactions my suggestions (especially that one) have historically gotten in this community make me somewhat averse to posting them now. It took me a couple days to get over my hangups enough to post my Large Train cargo adjustment suggestion.

There are ways to circumvent it (both on forum and in-game, though the in-game one needs a bit of setup) that the current staff has decided not to punish. In-RP swearing is permitted. Continuing to use the filter seems utterly pointless, especially when in-game it catches some words you might not expect and then forces you to retype an entire line. That part seems particularly unkind to our ESL userbase - which is, I suspect, a pretty significant chunk of the community.

It adds nothing. It obstructs some things. It is therefore a net negative.

[Antonio]

We have mass murder, addictive drugs, slavery and cannibalism on a daily basis and some swear words are a problem? I've been advocating for the removal of quite frankly anal rules in regards to swearing that I haven't seen since elementary school. No one's saying "overuse swear words all the time", but they're part of regular discussions everywhere and occasionally expressing yourself through them is normal. Restricting them so heavily's what isn't normal.

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[Goddess Astra]

I understand what you're saying, Marburg, I just. Like.

What does censoring do for RP?

I understand that if you censor one letter it doesn't diminish the meaning, but why does it need to be there to begin with?

That's the question I think most people are asking.

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[Marburg]

@ Thexare: well your large cargo train is completely irrelevant.

Yes..it is obvious that the swear filter can be circumvented. But You seem to continue to miss my point...why is it that a minimum of self censorship irks your nads so much?

To give another example, does it take away from the "realism" of RP if I were to say in character "suck the s*it out of my as*," or does it strike you as loosing something in the translation, simply editing the letters "i" & "s"

I'm willing to bet you understood everything I typed in spite of my self-censorship.

So, what exactly is the problem you have again with my argument?

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[Kazinsal]

If that single-character censorship is useless, as you are proudly stating, why should it be bothered with at all?

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[SnakThree]

@ Thexare: well your large cargo train is completely irrelevant.

Yes..it is obvious that the swear filter can be circumvented. But You seem to continue to miss my point...why is it that a minimum of self censorship irks your nads so much?

To give another example, does it take away from the "realism" of RP if I were to say in character "suck the s*it out of my as*," or does it strike you as loosing something in the translation, simply editing the letters "i" & "s"

I'm willing to bet you understood everything I typed in spite of my self-censorship.

So, what exactly is the problem you have again with my argument?

Yes, it does take away.

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[Goddess Astra]

The problem I have with your argument is largely that you are alluding to some deeper reason why the censorship filter should exist, but you are not saying what that reason is.

The point of censorship is to prevent it from being used at all, but people circumvent that, so...

Why would we keep something that people work around all the time, and which hardly ever gets brought up in the rules, save when someone is angry in PMs or something?

I think that everyone here is willing to simply work around the filter if necessary, but the expression that people are making is that if working around it is fine, then what is the point of the rule at all?

I would also like to respectfully request that you please stop writing your posts with the assumption that we are simply unwilling to accept that we can write and understand words with a strategic asterisk placed in them. I think that's why people feel like you're talking down at them. There's no need to be aggressive, or defensive for that matter--which goes for everyone.

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[Marburg]

I understand what you're saying, Marburg, I just. Like.

What does censoring do for RP?

I understand that if you censor one letter it doesn't diminish the meaning, but why does it need to be there to begin with?

That's the question I think most people are asking.

Anyone who thinks the swear rule exists to protect the innocent ears of children needs to grow the f*ck up & get with reality.

The reality is, like it or not, without the rule, it would be abused to a fault.

I've seen the worst of this community for over a decade & in regards to this specific rule, I can recognize the utopian fantasy over the pragmatic reality.

That's why I advocate for a compromise.

I happen to dig that the rule has been lax in the RP sections of the forums

In spite of my habitual self-sensorship in that area, I'm perfectly cool with the knowledge that I don't have to anymore...I'm smart enough not to abuse the privilege.

But when it comes to server RP, I submit that self-censorship should remain a mandate...not because of sensitive children's ears. When I was a child, I had a vocabulary that made sailors blush...when it comes to server RP...the ability to self-censor illustrates not only the ability to respect the rules of the sever we all play on for free, but our ability to differentiate fantasy from reality by taking the one extra step to add an Asterix here & there while in character.

Don't swear. Is not good for you-Steiner

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[Goddess Astra]

I do honestly think that ooRP viciousness is more of an issue than inRP...abuse? Overuse?

Some people do have characters that swear like sailors.

I just still really don't understand where you're coming from. What you're saying makes sense, but the why is still unclear, other than "show you can obey server rules and that you know IC isn't the same as OOC."

I'm not sure what swearing has to do with either of those. If it weren't a rule, then the first point wouldn't matter, anyway.

The compromise I would like most would be no swearing on the forum outside of RP channels, or perhaps no swearing ooRP at all. Though, despite what you are saying, I still feel we would be better off without the rule.

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[Marburg]

Honestly, you can't say that what I'm saying makes sense, while at the same time, not understanding where I'm coming from.

You can't have your cake & eat it too.

It ain't that binary.

When one chooses to play their character as intended, & edits a letter here & there to conform to the server rules, they also convey the maturity to follow the rules without loosing a single step IC.

What I utterly fail to see is how my position seems so unreasonable to the minority.

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