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Proposed Daumann faction
Offline Jonathan_Archer_nx01
06-14-2009, 11:15 PM,
#31
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Hornvipers are too energy inefficient. About as much as 8.33s' which is a bit odd, becuase normally the slower the refire rate is, the more damage per power you get.
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Offline pipboy
06-14-2009, 11:19 PM,
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Looks amazing Wolfspirit, if you need any help with anything let me know.

Really good job on this. I look forward to RP'ing with you in Rheinland.

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Offline Grail
06-14-2009, 11:30 PM,
#33
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Great job there.

congrats!
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Offline akar.zaephyr
06-15-2009, 12:58 AM,
#34
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Oh my God, I mean - Oh mein Got!
I've gone through the first post from the start to the end.
I am really impressed with the amount of work, graphics and the general feeling, not to mention the website...

I was so bored with my Liberty trading lately... So bored with all the Xenos and Rogues around... So bored with crowd in New York...

I couldn't find a good spot to change something but after reading this thread this is now clean. Expect my application today afternoon.

I also have few questions so whom can I contact in-game?

See you in space!

PS: Once again- awesome job!

' Wrote:yeah my spell and such sucks but i what ever
(...)
Big Grin
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Offline Cris
06-15-2009, 01:20 AM,
#35
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First... Oh my god!!!

Second, I want to join this faction just by lookinng at the good work you have made, expect an application letter...err transmission

Keep up the good work

Join DHC today! Click >>here!<<

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Offline Wolfspirit
06-15-2009, 01:55 AM, (This post was last modified: 06-15-2009, 01:59 AM by Wolfspirit.)
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' Wrote:A few (probably biased:P) thoughts;

First off, I really hope you ain't the same guys flying with the DHC tag from back in .84, that is, the ones that would chase an unarmed, trader IDed Preagle with a class 8 shield to Vogtland just because it was prefixed "LWB|" (was actually setting up...), or the ones that told Dragons defending their home to "chill". I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, tho, even if the tags are remarkably similar.

With that out of the way, my major concerns are relations with IMG and use of Bounty Hunter weapons.

IMG recruit from those who are dissatisfied with corporate mining, but do not want to be as extreme as Mollys/Hessians about it. As such, there tends to be tension between IMG and mining corporations (re: BMM) and I think hauling raw materials from IMG bases is unlikely to happen at best (especially from the supposedly secret Falkland base in Tau-37...which features on one of your trade runs-you may want to fix that...).

As for using Bounty Hunter weapons, whilst they may well be "better" statwise, that should not be a primary consideration when selecting loadouts...if you want variation, you have laser (8.33), Tachyon (4.00), and Plasma (2.00) weapons already to chose from, but the majority of any corporation's guns should probably be civilian made anyways (yes, an issue, due to civilian made stuff being kinda Agiera-made...although, if I recall, one of the Rheinland corps was making handguns in vanilla...not a great jump to start producing spaceship guns...which can be represented by Flashpoints...), especially as Rheinland is at war (again), having already squandered their entire industrial base 17 years ago in a war which saw the destruction of their entire military force...perhaps Hornvipres and Firekisses should show up even more rarely?

As for "forced" donations...well, they always put me off joining corporations...maybe a better method is to institute a system of voluntary donations (after all, no matter how much someone claims it's for RP, one of the main reasons to make a corporate character is to make cash to fund other projects...)
Start from the back.
Forced donation, call it if you want. Lets see exactly what does that mean. Im sure all trader team has more member who use their traders only then when they need money to support their Battleships or pirate chars. Im sure we get some too. These peoples will pay the minimal 25 mill in a month. Its mean 2 round between New Berlin and New England or Tokyo, not more than 1 hour. If someone dont want to work for their faction, dont want to sacrifice his 1 hour in a month, I dont want him too. I wrote my reason in an earlier reply, not your money what I want, but your activity. This is why not acceptable voluntary donation, if someone come with this: "hey I will give you 100 mill and leave me alone for 4 month" I will send him away. With this "donation" I use a filter too. Those elements wont join who just wanna use their trader ships only for collecting money themselves. If you are one of them I wont cry for you (OK I dont know you personally, so maybe you think the membership of a trader faction seriously).

About BH weaps. Its came from human side. If you have an opportunity, you want to use it. Im sure noone from my members think about BH weaps if it red in the table (table's link upper somewhere). BUT because it is green, they want it. I brought a solomonic decision: we dont use it in start, only then, if we make deal with BHG. Of course (and this is why I asked) the whole disco community say NO, then we dont TRY to ask weaps from BHG (and Im almost sure some of them will drop it away some days later, but its another story).

About IMG. What I know thats the Daumann side or the capitalist viewpoint. A company make deal with everyone if its profitable in short or longer period. Company dont care how his business partner is a terrorist, enemy of his homeland, or what is his partner's ideology. A company go against the laws until the penalty lower than the profit. A company wont make contract just because the other like the company but no profit, and the company dont bothering how the peoples hate them is in a place where the profit is high. Their God's name is the Money. Daumann thinking same. Yes we know the IMG employees dont like us, but they mean us raw materials and market where we can sell our products for real money. All other secondary.

I try to imagine the IMG side (not sure I have right). 1st of all (as I noted before) we are neutral in the official IMG faction list. This alone can be enough for business with them in game. But lets see deeper. IMG founded by BMM and rheinland miners (Daumann/Krueger). They continued their job - mining in the border words or the border systems, because there are free zones. Im sure, shortly after they started or continued their job in new places, they faced some problem: 1st they need basic supply (food, oxygen, water and so on). They need machines, mining machinery, miner ships. Because no economy behind them, they need to buy their necessity. Where come the money? From the raw materials selling of course. Where they will sell or to who? Who pay better (so they are capitalist too - for understandable reason). Why? Because more money mean more supply. They need to do it, if they want to keep up themselves. Who pay the best money? Mostly Rheinland, especially Daumann. If I try to imagine myself as an IMG chief (this is the RP?), I will make contract - for my family and my men - with my enemy if needed (I sell my soul to the devil). I do it simply because ideals nice things but I cant eat or drink it.

Another thing as the IMG rumors said, they run their bases like Zoners, they accept (almost) everyone (except Outcasts). So if they think it seriously, then no reason why they block the trade with us.

Falkland base accepted, will be changing to Java station.

Finally no we arent the same guys, only Im the alone who was from that team (our way separated). If you want to find them see around you:D, they are on your side or see around in the Omegas. Personally not heared this Dragon incident (dont know what is this). Personally I think seriously how we dont have problem with LWBs. Personally in the last half year I fought with LWB member only one time (dont count if he was in group with hessians or other hostile elements), but he called me out, and he was ready for fight. But as I said and I can just repeat, possible was some incident in the past. I wont say I never made wrong things, when we started to learn rules and what does the RP mean here. I was on another server (not just I) for 4-5 years, that was very different. I believe you was perfect player then, and we wasnt, but now we - or at least I - know more. And I repeat, we I mean my group not the only who use DHC tag, I saw it at least 3 form and just today (yesterday) saw someone who wasnt our member but he used same DHC- tag and almost same name structure like we have. So if we was in the past, sorry for that (report always helped then too, why dont you wrote one?), if not, Im sure that person regret too (or not:)).

Why good trading with Barge? For this:
[Image: diamond700.jpg]
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Offline Wolfspirit
06-15-2009, 12:40 PM,
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' Wrote:I also have few questions so whom can I contact in-game?
I think I will use my train on this week very often, its name DHC-Train.Leipzig. If you dont see me there, write a PM with the questions. Application form will be after, when DHC got official status (I think one week for discuss enough, so I pay the 500 mill, and post the revised final version to the right place on the next weekend), I think until not possible. So if someone can't wait, send a PM to me.

Why good trading with Barge? For this:
[Image: diamond700.jpg]
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Offline Encheta
06-15-2009, 02:29 PM,
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I'm afraid our diplomacy list on our faction status is old and was made before the relation changes in 4.85. I can't modify it myself atm, but I'll bring it up with the others once they comes back from their study breaks..

I know I've already said this in the PM reply to you, but so other people know you've been told already I'll add it here too. Our IMG ID now states that we cannot under any circumstances land on any BMM, Daumann or Kruger base, and that we can commit "unlawful actions" against you pretty much when not in house space. Though we as a faction strictly don't pirate other miners like our ID allows us to, it still evidence that we're pretty hateful/tense with eachother. Unless our IDs and 4.85 RP is changed in this particular area, we will most likely not be accepting any diplomatic offers (except perhaps a nofire agreement under any circumstances, but certainly not trade deals, alliances or ship purchases).

[Image: 2h7jsztlb8.png]
- IMG Faction Recruitment - IMG GuildComm (Message Dump) - Edict 63 - Tau Pact - Treaty of Curacao - IMG/OSI Contract - Ships Register -
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Offline Wolfspirit
06-15-2009, 02:59 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-15-2009, 02:59 PM by Wolfspirit.)
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' Wrote:I'm afraid our diplomacy list on our faction status is old and was made before the relation changes in 4.85. I can't modify it myself atm, but I'll bring it up with the others once they comes back from their study breaks..

I know I've already said this in the PM reply to you, but so other people know you've been told already I'll add it here too. Our IMG ID now states that we cannot under any circumstances land on any BMM, Daumann or Kruger base, and that we can commit "unlawful actions" against you pretty much when not in house space. Though we as a faction strictly don't pirate other miners like our ID allows us to, it still evidence that we're pretty hateful/tense with eachother. Unless our IDs and 4.85 RP is changed in this particular area, we will most likely not be accepting any diplomatic offers (except perhaps a nofire agreement under any circumstances, but certainly not trade deals, alliances or ship purchases).
Let it be. My basic was the game rumors in the diplomatic part, and the official factions diplomatic list. The official faction's newest oppinion very important, so our relation will change unfriendly, maybe hostile (I will think about it) and I change our trade routes. Thanks the fast reply.

Why good trading with Barge? For this:
[Image: diamond700.jpg]
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Offline Encheta
06-15-2009, 03:11 PM,
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' Wrote:Let it be. My basic was the game rumors in the diplomatic part, and the official factions diplomatic list. The official faction's newest oppinion very important, so our relation will change unfriendly, maybe hostile (I will think about it) and I change our trade routes. Thanks the fast reply.

I'd think IMG/Daumann relations would be unfriendly, Like IMG/Corsair relations. We dont shoot eachother on sight, but we sure as hell aren't going to help if we see the other being pirated or whatnot.. Perhaps we'll even do what we do with BMM and make some snide comment at eachother as we pass on the tradelanes. I dunno, up to you.

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- IMG Faction Recruitment - IMG GuildComm (Message Dump) - Edict 63 - Tau Pact - Treaty of Curacao - IMG/OSI Contract - Ships Register -
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