I find this to be legit, in most cases. It's not exactly in-RP for someone to sit by a battleship not moving while there are 2 enemies within long distant scanner range. At this point, if they weren't helping in defence, they would've docked with the battleship.
' Wrote:If i am threaened by someone and i dock, it is concidered fleeing as far as i know, so i would have to log off or leave the System for four hours. Not so good.
If your shield dont go below 50% by your opponent or you dont get hull damage by your opponent or you dont get CD (you cant from a double SN-ed bomber) you can dock and take off freely because you arent or wasnt in PvP. If you was in PvP and you flee 4 hour only then if your opponent remain in that system but when your opponent left that system you can return (of course if you died you cant until 4 hour).
And a note: funny you usually dont want to fight this is why you have a warship. Drive a lvl 5 starflier then be sure noone will attack you:D. Anyhow my oppinion wont change, I dont see any reason why cant use SN against someone who soo lam... errr... RP guy how he flee to a BS protection. Running to a BS is RP but using SN against someone who are close a BS isnt? As I reed a lot of time this is RP and not a PvP server, it mean example you can use all useable weapon, all type ship against your opponent. If this is SN then SN. If this 2 SN then 2 SN.
Hmmm, it depends on how I'm reading this. I get two different scenarios from the thread. If it's a case of 1) shoot 2) talk 3) die before being able to fully respond, that's quite bad. And seems to be the exact thing the Engagement Notice thing was put in to avoid, isn't it?
If it's a case of 1) talk 2) shoot, it's still quite iffy, as you're not giving them a chance to really respond.
If it's after a long bit of RPing, though, that's just fine.
So you were sitting outside of the battleships range to keep from getting destroyed, then trying to SNAC another player? That sounds pretty oorp to me. The second you started shooting the bee hive of fighters from the battelship would have come out and killed ya. If you arent friendly to the battleship, why were you anywhere near it?
And yea, it seems like a really low down tactic, almost like the guys that fire a snac then hits his pre typed engagement notice...
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basicly - the original question was "is it allowed" - well, yes... when your engagement notice reaches the other player IN TIME so he can react. ( meaning you don t fire your SNs and throw in a predefined message a second before they hit, cause no, when you fire a projectile from 2k+ it may be invisible.... even when it closes up to you .... and a SN is not even really large. - even if it was a battleship sized razor ( as large as a planet ) - a target player might just not see it )
but the REAL question is - "just cause you are allowed to do it.... should you REALLY do it?"
when something is allowed by the rules, it doesn t mean it must be used. if we all agree that its perfectly "fair" to hit a target that is not expecting an attack ( else why would he just sit there [ it can only be that he is otherwise occupied <-- literally occupied, or unaware of an attack ).... so if we all think that its FAIR to practicly insta kill that player. - and especially ... we are happy and go to a 4 hours rest ourselves when it is done to us. - we re good to go.
but if those that do it would get pissed themselves for being shot down like that - they shouldn t do it to others.
i m a bit at a loss of the situation... to be honest.....
a player that is aware that he is being attacked is sitting at a friendly battleship. - his enemies are not only within detection range but really close - within half a scanner range!!
and he sits there motionless? - are you sure that you have announced the attack? .... in time?
i m not used to pvp much - but i don t think that i d sit totally still when i had 2 enemies that announced themselves to attack me and let them put a tandem charge of supernova into my ship. - that can only really happen when i have NOT been informed in time to react.
so excuse my suspicion -but it does sound a bit fishy to me. - of course.... i might be wrong there.
Sometimes I role play that I am a dashing, heroic, ubercool, superior fighter jock--and people who are better players kill me anyway. Is this allowed? Can we make a rule to prevent other people from being better than me?
' Wrote:Sometimes I role play that I am a dashing, heroic, ubercool, superior fighter jock--and people who are better players kill me anyway. Is this allowed? Can we make a rule to prevent other people from being better than me?
Smoke 'em if ya got 'em.
Actually if you're a dashing, heroic, ubercool, superior fighter jock who gets killed by someone else you're in violation of oorp behavior as you have no business being randomly shot down by another pilot.
Sorry everyone for my late response, have been out most of the day, but now I'm here.
First of all, Nighthawk, please calm down, this is not "bashing the Reavers" thread ok?
Moving on it seems to be mixed feelings regarding my question.
Some say its a cheap dirty tactic or very lame behavior and others say its perfectly fine because a player should be able to recognize such an incoming attack. However, nobody have said its against the rules.
Regardless of that, I sympathize with the fact that this seems to be a very lame move and I have been convinced from the arguments of this thread that it is not something that should be conducted, therefore I will personally stop using this technique.
Other than that I would just like to give a quick response to Dab on this part.
' Wrote:I think people are putting way too much effort into getting a rather pointless blue message these days. Do you need it so badly to ruin other people's fun? Is getting two million from a bounty worth it?
No I'm not in need for blue-messages so badly that I would want to ruin other peoples fun, this is one of the reasons why I apologized in my original post to anyone who got offended when I conducted this technique.
Thank you all for your inputs. Sorry if I missed a direct question that was aimed to me which I didn't answer.
' Wrote:Actually if you're a dashing, heroic, ubercool, superior fighter jock who gets killed by someone else you're in violation of oorp behavior as you have no business being randomly shot down by another pilot.
You could be at risk of being sanctioned =/
I meant, "Sometimes some one else plays..."
Kudos sir. Your reparte' remains superb and I must again wirhdraw.
Well, in the context of the incidents which I feel you're talking about (I was there, both times, the Challenger if you don't remember), I personally feel that an engagement notice should be given directly before opening fire with the SNACs, so that your target has a chance to react. Both times, you've had complaints from the people who had the tactic used against them, and in my opinion, the engagement notice rule was designed to let people know that they're about to be attacked and so be able to close the console window and start moving, so although it isn't against the rules (since they state "some form of RP") it would be nice to know that someone's about to attempt to instakill you. Also, in the second incident, I know that the person you tried the SNAC trick on was typing, because I got an ooRP message right before about not wanting to fight your lot.
So, to sum it all up, although it's not technically against a rule, it's considered a rather low blow.